Is Linear Momentum Conserved in a Collision Between a Disk and Particle?

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The discussion centers on the conservation of linear and angular momentum during a collision between a disk and a particle. The initial analysis incorrectly assumes that linear momentum is conserved when the disk is fixed at its axis, leading to confusion about the resulting velocities. It is clarified that the fixed axis exerts a force, which accounts for the missing momentum after the collision. The participants agree that when considering the disk as free, the system's momentum can be analyzed more accurately. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the constraints imposed by the fixed axis on momentum conservation.
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I'm not exactly sure what is wrong with my analysis for this problem concerning the conservation of angular and linear momentum.

Problem Statement:
Suppose you have a uniform disk of mass M and radius R that can rotate about its central axis. A particle with mass M and velocity V strikes the rim of the disk (along a path tangent to the disk), gets lodged into it, and causes the disk to spin. Show that the linear momentum of the system is conserved.Attempted Solution:
I start by using the conservation of angular momentum:

MVR = (0.5MR^2 + MR^2)ω

The left side of the equation is the total angular momentum before the collision (it is just the angular momentum of the particle since the disk is stationary) and the right side is the angular momentum after the collision. The expression in parenthesis is the moment of inertia of the disk-particle system. With a bit of algebra you can conclude that:

ω = (2V)/(3R)

To analyze the linear momentum after the collision I look at the linear velocity of the center of mass of the disk-particle system. The center of mass is in between the center of the disk and the lodged particle, so the linear momentum is given by:

(0.5Rω)(2M) = (V/3)(2M) = (2/3)MV

However, the linear momentum before the collision is MV. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?
 
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The problem is if the disk rotates around a fixed axis or it is a free disk the particle is colliding with. If the disk rotates about a fix axis the linear momentum is not conserved as the axis exerts force.
Try to solve the problem with free disk. Then the whole system will rotate about the common centre of mass.

ehild
 
The axis is fixed for this problem. Are you saying that the missing momentum is going into whatever is holding the axis fixed? If that is the case, problem solved! :p

Perhaps it is important to say that the disk is spinning with respect to the axis through the center of the disk (like a merry go round, not a coin spinning on its side) and not through the center of mass of the combined disk-particle system.
 
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You know that the change of linear momentum is equal to the impulse of the force exerted. FΔt=Δ(Ʃmv). The axis exerts force, but you can imagine that it "takes on" momentum when the particle collides with the disk (it bends a bit) and then starts to vibrate and dissipates the momentum and energy at the end.

ehild
 
Ah, I see now! Thanks, Ehild! :biggrin:
 
Welcome! (the green grin is very nice!):wink:

ehild
 
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