Is max bending stress the same as the yeild strength

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of yield strength and allowable stress in the context of determining section sizes for beams and the calculations related to supporting plates and bolts. Participants explore the appropriate use of these stress values in engineering applications.

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  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether to use yield strength or allowable stress for beam section sizing.
  • Another participant suggests using allowable stress, which is a percentage of yield stress, typically around 60%.
  • A participant questions how to determine allowable stress when using a factor of safety of 3, wondering if it should be yield strength divided by three.
  • Another participant confirms that yield strength divided by three gives the maximum allowable and safe load.
  • A new question arises regarding the calculation of width and thickness of a plate supporting a beam, given shear and bearing stress values, bolt diameter, and load.
  • One participant notes that bearing stress is just one mode of failure and asks for a sketch of the bolting arrangement to provide better guidance.
  • Another participant advises checking for failure in both the hinge pin and bolts, suggesting additional considerations for tensile failure and pin push block out calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of allowable stress in relation to yield strength, but there is some uncertainty about the calculations and interpretations of safety factors and allowable stress. The discussion regarding the calculations for the supporting plate and bolts remains unresolved, with multiple considerations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the relationship between yield strength, allowable stress, and factors of safety. There are also unresolved mathematical steps related to the calculations for the supporting plate.

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i don't know whether to use the yeild srength or allowable stress to determine section sizes of a beam please help me :)

thank you.
 
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You should use the allowable stress which is a percentage of yield stress (e.g 60% of yield stress).
 
Thanks for your reply you are very kind
So I use allowable
my factor of safety is 3 but I thought that meant the allowable divided by three not the yield
how would I determine the allowable if that is the case.
Or is it just my yield divided by three equals the max allowable and safe load?
 
engtobe said:
Or is it just my yield divided by three equals the max allowable and safe load?
Yes, this is correct.
 
thanks mate :)
 
is it possible to calculate the width and thickness of a plate that is helping to support a beam when you have values for shear and bearing stress, a diameter of to bolts and the load it carries.

i have tried using bearing stress = load/diameter*t and then rearanging for t but the answer is wrong.
 
Bearing stress is one of many modes of failure. Do you have a sketch of your bolting arrangement?
 
yes i have attached it to this post
 

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You should check failure in both the hinge pin and bolts. In addition to the bearing stress consider:

2) Tensile failure = 2 X La X plate thickness

where La is the distance from the edge of the hole to the edge of the plate.

3) Pin push block out = 2 X d X plate thickness, where d = distance from hole edge to part edge.
 

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