Is Measuring Bubbles a Reliable Method for Determining Carbonic Acid Levels?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the reliability of measuring CO2 bubbles as a method for determining carbonic acid levels in fizzy drinks. It explores the chemical reactions involved and the complexities of defining and measuring carbonic acid in solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes measuring the amount of CO2 bubbles released to estimate carbonic acid levels but questions the validity of this method due to the presence of multiple reactions involving carbonic acid.
  • Another participant highlights the ambiguity in defining "how much carbonic acid" is present, noting that it involves dissolved CO2 in equilibrium with H2CO3 and other species, which complicates measurement.
  • It is suggested that the measurement of bubbles lost can be well-defined, provided the measurement method is clearly described, but cautions against equating this directly with carbonic acid content.
  • Some participants recommend measuring concentrations in moles per liter or grams per liter as potential alternatives for clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reliability of measuring bubbles as an indicator of carbonic acid levels, with no consensus reached on the best approach to define and measure carbonic acid in solutions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in defining carbonic acid levels due to the presence of multiple species in solution and the influence of external factors like atmospheric pressure on CO2 release.

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Hello everyone

I am doing some research about carbonic acid in fizzy drinks. I hope to find out how much carbonic acid was in the drink by looking how much CO2 bubbles come loose. but later I thought that there are two reactions that can take place:

H2CO3 --> H2O + CO2
H2CO3 --> H+ + HCO3-

because both of these can take place does my plan still work, if not is there another way to find out how much is in the drink.
 
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"How much carbonic acid" is a bit ambiguous, as it depends on what you mean by that.

Solutions contain dissolved CO2 in equilibrium with H2CO2 (and the ratio between these two is rather difficult to measure, so we typically treat them as a single entity), plus - depending on pH - different amounts of HCO3- and CO32-. To make things even more difficult, amount of CO2 that the solution can release depends on the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere above.

Your definition of "how much carbonic acid" must take all these into account.

"Amount of bubbles lost by the drink" is a well defined (or rather - can be well defined, when you unambiguously describe how it is measured) property of a drink, so measuring it is a reasonable thing to do. Just don't call it "amount of carbonic acid".
 
Maybe you should measure in moles per litre.
Or grams per litre.
 
Borek said:
"How much carbonic acid" is a bit ambiguous, as it depends on what you mean by that.

Solutions contain dissolved CO2 in equilibrium with H2CO2 (and the ratio between these two is rather difficult to measure, so we typically treat them as a single entity), plus - depending on pH - different amounts of HCO3- and CO32-. To make things even more difficult, amount of CO2 that the solution can release depends on the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere above.

Your definition of "how much carbonic acid" must take all these into account.

"Amount of bubbles lost by the drink" is a well defined (or rather - can be well defined, when you unambiguously describe how it is measured) property of a drink, so measuring it is a reasonable thing to do. Just don't call it "amount of carbonic acid".
alright thank you
 

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