Is My Approach to Rubber Band Boltzmann Statistics Correct?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Boltzmann statistics to a rubber band model, focusing on the partition function and probabilities associated with the states of links in the rubber band. Participants explore the implications of temperature changes on energy and entropy within this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the partition function and associated probabilities for a rubber band model, questioning the correctness of their approach. Participants suggest deriving expressions for expected values based on previous results and explore the relationship between temperature, energy, and entropy.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's attempts and suggesting further lines of reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of how temperature affects the average energy and the implications for entropy, with some guidance offered on the interpretation of results.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the behavior of the rubber band under varying temperatures and the definitions of energy and entropy in this statistical mechanics context. There is a noted complexity in understanding the relationship between energy, temperature, and the resulting microstates.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations



$$ Z(1) = \sum_{i=1}^{} e^{\frac{E_i}{K_bT}} $$ where ##E_i## is each of the possible energy states available to a single link (in this case the right and the left states).

$$ P=\frac{\sum_{i=1}^{} e^{\frac{E_i}{K_bT}}}{Z} $$

The Attempt at a Solution



Hi all,

For part a) I obtained ## Z(1) = 2cosh(\frac{lF}{K_bT}) ## = the partition function for a single link.

For b) the probability of a single link to point to the right is: ## P=\frac{exp[\frac{lF}{K_bT}]}{2cosh(\frac{lF}{K_bT})} ##.

And for part c), the total partition function would be ##Z=[Z(1)]^N##, where ##Z(1)## is as given in the answer for part a).

Is this all correct thus far?

For part d) however I'm unsure on how to proceed. Any ideas?
 
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Looks good so far. For (d), try to come up with an expression for ##\left< N_R \right>## based on your result for (b).
 
TSny said:
Looks good so far. For (d), try to come up with an expression for ##\left< N_R \right>## based on your result for (b).

Ah right, since we have the probability of a link pointing to the right, and we can yield the same for a link pointing to the left, we can simply compute the expectation/average value as ##\left< N_R \right> = NP_R## where ##P_R## is the result of part b). Doing the same for the ##\left< N_L \right>##, gives ##L=Nltanh(\frac{lF}{K_bT})## as required.

For part e), am I right in saying that as the temperature is increased (i.e. as the argument of tanh gets smaller), the total L decreases. And if we define the average energy as ##\left< E \right> = -LF##, then the average energy will also decrease as T increases. And since L decreases, there are more possible microstates of right/left pointing links, and so the entropy increases. Is this correct?
 
samjohnny said:
Ah right, since we have the probability of a link pointing to the right, and we can yield the same for a link pointing to the left, we can simply compute the expectation/average value as ##\left< N_R \right> = NP_R## where ##P_R## is the result of part b). Doing the same for the ##\left< N_L \right>##, gives ##L=Nltanh(\frac{lF}{K_bT})## as required.
Yes. Looks good.
For part e), am I right in saying that as the temperature is increased (i.e. as the argument of tanh gets smaller), the total L decreases.
Yes, heating the stretched rubber band tends to make the band contract.
And if we define the average energy as ##\left< E \right> = -LF##, then the average energy will also decrease as T increases.
##\left< E \right> = -LF## is a deduction rather than a definition. Are you sure the average energy decreases as T increases?
And since L decreases, there are more possible microstates of right/left pointing links, and so the entropy increases. Is this correct?
Yes.
 
TSny said:
##\left< E \right> = -LF## is a deduction rather than a definition. Are you sure the average energy decreases as T increases?

Ah right, where we use the fact that ##\left< E \right> = \left< N_R \right>E_R +\left< N_L \right>E_L ##. So, we've determined that L decreases as the stretched band is heated. So then ##LF## must also get smaller. However, the fact that there is a minus sign (##\left< E \right> = -LF##) indicate that the Energy is in fact increasing (i.e. becoming more positive). Is that it?
 
Yes, that's right. (Edit: Perhaps better to say that <E> becomes less negative.)
 
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