Is Text Speak Acceptable in Online Forums?

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The discussion centers around the acceptability of text speak in forums. Many participants express strong aversion to text speak, arguing that it complicates communication and reflects a lack of effort or understanding in written language. Users find it frustrating to decode messages filled with abbreviations and shorthand, which they believe detracts from the clarity and professionalism expected in forum interactions. Some participants note that while text speak may be acceptable in text messaging due to character limits, it has no place in more formal writing contexts. There is a consensus that clear communication should prioritize proper grammar and spelling, as it shows respect for the audience. The conversation also touches on the generational divide regarding language use, with some suggesting that younger users may rely on text speak out of habit or a desire to appear trendy. Overall, the thread advocates for maintaining high standards of written communication in online forums to facilitate effective discussions.
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Do u think text speak is ok in forums or r u averse to it.
 
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No, I hate it. Some users just go way overboard and suddenly I find myself struggling to decode the message, while shortly later thinking to myself why I'm even trying to read such muck. If this person doesn't have the mental capacity or is willing to put the effort into spell and use grammar correctly, then this just screams to me "don't bother reading".
 
Mentallic said:
No, I hate it. Some users just go way overboard and suddenly I find myself struggling to decode the message, while shortly later thinking to myself why I'm even trying to read such muck. If this person doesn't have the mental capacity or is willing to put the effort into spell and use grammar correctly, then this just screams to me "don't bother reading".

True that.
 
Depends on how serious you are about wanting people to listen to you.
 
Depends on the forum. If its inhabited by pepl wth mentl lvl that fts - it is their problem. I don't go where I don't fit.
 
Borek said:
Depends on the forum. If its inhabited by pepl wth mentl lvl that fts - it is their problem. I don't go where I don't fit.
I thought text speak was not allowed here but couldn't find it in the rules though.

Anyway, better watch it or you'll get an infraction. :biggrin:
 
Get used to it. I think it will have the greatest effect on orthography since the printing press.
 
dlgoff said:
I thought text speak was not allowed here but couldn't find it in the rules though.

Anyway, better watch it or you'll get an infraction. :biggrin:

It's in the first post here:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=414380

In the interest of conveying ideas as clearly as possible, posts are required to show reasonable attention to written English communication standards. This includes the use of proper grammatical structure, punctuation, capitalization, and spelling. SMS messaging shorthand, such as using "u" for "you", is not acceptable.
 
dlgoff said:
I thought text speak was not allowed here but couldn't find it in the rules though.

It is there:

Greg Bernhardt said:
In the interest of conveying ideas as clearly as possible, posts are required to show reasonable attention to written English communication standards. This includes the use of proper grammatical structure, punctuation, capitalization, and spelling. SMS messaging shorthand, such as using "u" for "you", is not acceptable.

Anyway, better watch it or you'll get an infraction. :biggrin:

I have a deal with Greg - he trusts me :wink:

Edit: beaten by Lisa.
 
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I must be blind. Thanks lisab.
 
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Sometimes shorthand makes no sense. It's supposed to speed up typing, but it doesn't. I've seen shorthand where the person just omits one letter from the word. That's just pointless. There are no benefits to it. It makes you look stupid, it puts you in a habit of misspelling words, it's harder to read and it doesn't save much time, if any. If I type "are you serious?", it takes less than a second. If I type "r u srs?", it takes basically the same amount of time. No one is so strapped for time that they need to save milliseconds.
 
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Borek said:
Depends on the forum. If its inhabited by pepl wth mentl lvl that fts - it is their problem. I don't go where I don't fit.

Surprisingly I don't see text speak so much on youtube, and I'm quite sure that the IQ levels peak at around the 50-70 mark over there. 30 points for finding the site, then another 20 for figuring out how to register and comment. 10 bonus points if it was even remotely on topic.

Text talk is mostly just being lazy in my opinion. The only times I find it acceptable is in text messages, where it was all derived from - when you're actually counting on keeping it short. In all other situations it's to cover up your lack of spelling and grammar skills, when you still haven't learned to type yet, or the pressure placed on kids to be cool.

It bugs me out when people can't use there, their and they're correctly. No wonder why invented text forms for it such as "ther".
 
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I have no problem reading text speak, and don't think it really conveys any less intelligence of the person that uses it. I just find it really annoying.
 
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leroyjenkens said:
Sometimes shorthand makes no sense. It's supposed to speed up typing, but it doesn't. I've seen shorthand where the person just omits one letter from the word.

I've seen instances where the text form of a word is the same number of letters, but with replacements, such as z for s. How can typing z be any faster than s? The letter z is placed in an awkward position relative to your hands purposely since it's barely used. Also, what's with the ... after every break in the sentence? It applies anywhere where you might need a comma or a fullstop or even a new paragraph... It can't be saving any time to type a shrt or rearangd vershen of de word n den finish wit...
 
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Borek said:
... pepl wth mentl lvl that fts - it is their problem...

If you might get an infraction, then it must be because of what's been bolded above! :biggrin:


I think it's a way of expressing oneself, but sure the wrong way.
 
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drizzle said:
I think it's a way of expressing oneself, but sure the wrong way.

Exactly what are they trying to express when typing in txt?
 
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Mentallic said:
I've seen instances where the text form of a word is the same number of letters, but with replacements, such as z for s. How can typing z be any faster than s? The letter z is placed in an awkward position relative to your hands purposely since it's barely used. Also, what's with the ... after every break in the sentence? It applies anywhere where you might need a comma or a fullstop or even a new paragraph... It can't be saving any time to type a shrt or rearangd vershen of de word n den finish wit...

That's becuase only annoying people type text speak. I can understand it on old mobles when you get 160 characters to a message.

I'm getting raged thinking about it.
 
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People try so hard to look different/special/unique, it's their lifestyle...
 
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The only good side of it I can think of is that it might in certain cases show me how a word is pronounced. Since I mostly learned English on the Internet through reading (I've learned quite a lot here), many times I don't know how words are pronounced.
But to learn to write English, plain text is obviously perfect.
I have a related question. Is the word "thru" abbreviated? According to google translation it exists. Or maybe it should be "through"? Are both the same word? Can we write them either thru or through?
 
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Could be my English failed me, as obviously my mentioning of mental level was read by everyone as meaning low IQ. That was not the intent - I meant some combination of social skills and knowledge, like in "mentality of teenager" (is it in English?).
 
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fluidistic said:
I have a related question. Is the word "thru" abbreviated? According to google translation it exists. Or maybe it should be "through"? Are both the same word? Can we write them either thru or through?
Thru is non-standard for through. Now how about coo, do, true, knew and queue? What about thought, though, cough, rough, bough and thorough?
 
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fluidistic said:
I have a related question. Is the word "thru" abbreviated? According to google translation it exists. Or maybe it should be "through"? Are both the same word? Can we write them either thru or through?

`Through' is correct. Google is good at recognizing common misspellings.
 
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fluidistic said:
The only good side of it I can think of is that it might in certain cases show me how a word is pronounced. Since I mostly learned English on the Internet through reading (I've learned quite a lot here), many times I don't know how words are pronounced.
But to learn to write English, plain text is obviously perfect.
I have a related question. Is the word "thru" abbreviated? According to google translation it exists. Or maybe it should be "through"? Are both the same word? Can we write them either thru or through?

Yes but spelling should probably be more important to you while reading English on the net as you can worry about pronunciation when speaking it out in the real world.

Through is the same as thru, but it isn't abbreviated at all, it's text speak. I'd be surprised if it was in a dictionary, but on google translator? Not so much.
 
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Mentallic said:
I've seen instances where the text form of a word is the same number of letters, but with replacements, such as z for s. How can typing z be any faster than s? The letter z is placed in an awkward position relative to your hands purposely since it's barely used. Also, what's with the ... after every break in the sentence? It applies anywhere where you might need a comma or a fullstop or even a new paragraph... It can't be saving any time to type a shrt or rearangd vershen of de word n den finish wit...

I'll never understand the z's. People put them after lol also for no reason at all. I'm sure you've seen people "laugh" like that: "lolz". I'd say it's childish, but it goes beyond that. It's just downright stupid.
The ellipses after everything they say is so they can avoid using real punctuation. Since they don't know the correct punctuation, they just use ellipses to indicate a pause in speech.
 
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leroyjenkens said:
I'll never understand the z's. People put them after lol also for no reason at all. I'm sure you've seen people "laugh" like that: "lolz". I'd say it's childish, but it goes beyond that. It's just downright stupid.
The ellipses after everything they say is so they can avoid using real punctuation. Since they don't know the correct punctuation, they just use ellipses to indicate a pause in speech.

There is a meaning to luls or lulz as it is now written. http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Lulz
Not a good source I know, but it gives the description of what it means.

I hate lol with a vengence. Everybody now writes lol, with everything.

The way people keep writing it you'd swear they spent their entire lives laughing. The most annoying thing I've heard in a while is when people actually use lol in conversation (spoken).

Someone says something, they respond with "lol". They don't laugh or anything, just say it.
 
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jarednjames said:
Someone says something, they respond with "lol". They don't laugh or anything, just say it.

That made me...well, you know :wink:
 
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fluidistic said:
The only good side of it I can think of is that it might in certain cases show me how a word is pronounced. Since I mostly learned English on the Internet through reading (I've learned quite a lot here), many times I don't know how words are pronounced.
But to learn to write English, plain text is obviously perfect.
I have a related question. Is the word "thru" abbreviated? According to google translation it exists. Or maybe it should be "through"? Are both the same word? Can we write them either thru or through?

"Thru" is the same as "through". It's been around a long time, long before texting was invented. In fact I saw Feynman use it in a lecture on the double slit experiment. It's just slang.
 
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I like lol better than ha ha. If you know your languages you'd know lol actually means fun :wink:
 
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jarednjames said:
There is a meaning to luls or lulz as it is now written. http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Lulz
Not a good source I know, but it gives the description of what it means.

I hate lol with a vengence. Everybody now writes lol, with everything.

The way people keep writing it you'd swear they spent their entire lives laughing. The most annoying thing I've heard in a while is when people actually use lol in conversation (spoken).

Someone says something, they respond with "lol". They don't laugh or anything, just say it.

So, if one were to say "lol" in a verbal conversion, they'd be doing it for the "lulz"? :biggrin:
 
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lisab said:
"Thru" is the same as "through". It's been around a long time, long before texting was invented. In fact I saw Feynman use it in a lecture on the double slit experiment. It's just slang.

It's on most of the UK fast food restaurants - 'drive thru'. Been there for years.
Monique said:
I like lol better than ha ha. If you know your languages you'd know lol actually means fun :wink:

It means "laugh out loud". What's there to understand? I know it indicates someone finds something funny, and I don't mind it used in that sense. My problem is that it seems to be stuck at the end of most sentences you see on the internet. Over used to a ridiculous extreme. Personally I prefer emoticons, but I'll say ha ha if I actually laugh.
Dembadon said:
So, if one were to say "lol" in a verbal conversion, they'd be doing it for the "lulz"? :biggrin:

I don't speak to people in IM conversations if they use lol (unless there's a reason for doing so :wink:). If you use it in a verbal conversation with me, I'll have a pop at you for using it and politely request you don't use it again (this is if the scenario of saying it but not actually showing any signs of finding something funny applies - or I'm just in a bad mood).
 
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jarednjames said:
It means "laugh out loud". What's there to understand? I know it indicates someone finds something funny, and I don't mind it used in that sense. My problem is that it seems to be stuck at the end of most sentences you see on the internet. Over used to a ridiculous extreme. Personally I prefer emoticons, but I'll say ha ha if I actually laugh.
Yes, it is an abbreviation for laughing out loud. What I was referring to is that in Dutch the word lol means fun. Maybe that's why I don't have as much of a problem with it. I do agree that inappropriate use in conversations just make you look stupid.
 
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Monique said:
Yes, it is an abbreviation for laughing out loud. What I was referring to is that in Dutch the word lol means fun. Maybe that's why I don't have as much of a problem with it. I do agree that inappropriate use in conversations just make you look stupid.

In that sense I agree. However, I somehow doubt that any of the chavs who continuously through this abbreviation around recognise the Dutch connection/meaning.
 
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Ah yes. Text speak. Most people don't realize that the first text speak was invented long before we had voice commincation. Morse code. You think telegraph operators didn't use abreviations?
 
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jarednjames said:
There is a meaning to luls or lulz as it is now written. http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Lulz
Not a good source I know, but it gives the description of what it means.

I hate lol with a vengence. Everybody now writes lol, with everything.

The way people keep writing it you'd swear they spent their entire lives laughing. The most annoying thing I've heard in a while is when people actually use lol in conversation (spoken).

Someone says something, they respond with "lol". They don't laugh or anything, just say it.

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  • #35
Averagesupernova said:
Ah yes. Text speak. Most people don't realize that the first text speak was invented long before we had voice commincation. Morse code. You think telegraph operators didn't use abreviations?

Ah, good point. There was a whole sub-language used back then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code_abbreviations
 
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leroyjenkens said:
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ROFL

(I wanted to post LOL, but three letters messages are too short).
 
  • #37
I actually rarely "lol" but if I do, it's because I actually did. And I generally only use it in live chat situations. But if I've typed "lol" it's because I'm laughing, out loud, for real, yes.

There's a young at my office who ends every written sentence in casual correspondence with "lol". That drives me nuts, although I do understand that he's not confident enough in his written communication skills that he trusts people will know he's joking when he writes something. Hence, "lol" at the end of each sentence to let you know he's kidding around. He's an actor and a improv comic in his spare time. You'd think he'd know that I realize he jokes around quite a bit.

The rest of text speak gets on my nerves in forum-writing situations, including Facebook. My best friend developed a bad habit of typing messages to me containing "ur". It bothered me so much, I now permanently refer to her as "ur" notwithstanding the context. I use it as a substitute for "you". (Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it's supposed to be short for "you are" but I don't care. If you can type "ur" you can type "you are". As someone else pointed out earlier in this thread, no one is so busy that they must save milliseconds of time.)

Therefore, I write sentences to her such as, "How are ur today?" She caught on really quickly.

I understand text-speak writing for actual text messages. You are restricted to space and message size before it spills into a second message. Plus the tiny keyboards get on my nerves very, very quickly, so I can see the advantage. On Message boards or in e-mail, though? Not a chance. I actually have to slow down and stop and think in order to *not* type out the whole word. I touch-type; it goes quickly.

And yes, I perceive people who write posts or e-mails in text-speak as 1) not too bright, and/or 2) too lazy to be bothered to communicate clearly with me. And if you can't be bothered to speak clearly, then I can't be bothered trying to discuss anything with you. It's too difficult to try and figure out what they're trying to say, because, in my mind, when I read the letters, I "hear" the sounds of the letters and not the words those letters are supposed to stand for.

At my office, though, jokingly, we routinely say "brb" to each other when leaving a room.
 
  • #38
Averagesupernova said:
Ah yes. Text speak. Most people don't realize that the first text speak was invented long before we had voice commincation. Morse code. You think telegraph operators didn't use abreviations?

lisab said:
Ah, good point. There was a whole sub-language used back then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code_abbreviations
Except that telegraph operators didn't write in morse code to people.

So, I don't get what is similar. Secretaries used shorthand, they didn't write to people they didn't know in shorthand.
 
  • #39
I also dislike text speak, but I think we do it because of the generation gap. We think its the new generation thing and hence don't like it :wink:
 
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Siv said:
I also dislike text speak, but I think we do it because of the generation gap. We think its the new generation thing and hence don't like it :wink:
Neither of my girls use text speak when they text, and I know that my youngest does a couple of thousand text messages a month, she says she can't stand text speak.
 
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My boyfriend is always suspicious when I am sitting behind my laptop laughing. When I do he'll say "you're at PF again, aren't you?" and starts stalking me. So, when I say lol, I mean lol :smile:
 
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Monique said:
My boyfriend is always suspicious when I am sitting laughing behind my laptop. When I do he'll say "you're at PF again, aren't you?" and starts stalking me. So, when I say lol, I mean lol :smile:

He should join!
 
  • #43
GeorginaS said:
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At my office, though, jokingly, we routinely say "brb" to each other when leaving a room.

Precisely my thoughts on the subject.

BRB is one of the few I do use. Not because I have to, but generally when I have to use it I'm in a rush to duck out really quickly (been summoned by a higher power in other words). So just hit brb and disappear and people know I'm not going to respond. And then that's only in IM conversations.

That is one of the only occasions I see that justifies the use.
 
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Monique said:
My boyfriend is always suspicious when I am sitting behind my laptop laughing. When I do he'll say "you're at PF again, aren't you?" and starts stalking me. So, when I say lol, I mean lol :smile:

Whenever my girlfriend sees me on the internet she asks if I'm on Physics Forums, usually it's followed with a yes, by which point she laughs :biggrin:
Oh and you won't catch me laughing too often on PF. More than likely any emotion I show would be shear frustration at some of the comments I read from the new guys up in the homework help section. Especially when they come in here talking in txt speak.
 
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  • #45
Evo said:
Except that telegraph operators didn't write in morse code to people.

So, I don't get what is similar. Secretaries used shorthand, they didn't write to people they didn't know in shorthand.

Ham radio operators aren't people? Depot operators (in the past) weren't people? There is no difference. Someone new to the ham community who could copy morse code efficiently could get on the air and see all these abreviations come in and think: "WTF?
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My parents who don't text but can easily read a text I would send them would look at my text-speak and say: "What the f...?".
 
  • #46
I've never typed text like messages. I remember when I first saw these texts, I was like WTF! :biggrin:
 
  • #47
drizzle said:
I've never typed text like messages. I remember when I first saw these texts, I was like WTF! :biggrin:

Okay, WTF is another one that's handy both in writing and to say out loud. WTF out loud is *very* funny.
 
  • #48
Evo said:
Except that telegraph operators didn't write in morse code to people.

dit dah dit dit _ dah dah dah _ dit dah dit dit :devil:
 
  • #49
GeorginaS said:
Okay, WTF is another one that's handy both in writing and to say out loud. WTF out loud is *very* funny.

I use that one, out loud. Sometimes just, "W...?"
 
  • #50
That is if you prefer WTF over OMG.
 
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