Is the Angular Velocity of Pinned Rods Calculated Correctly?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angular velocity of pinned rods in a mechanical system, specifically focusing on the relationships between linear and angular motion. The subject area includes concepts from rotational dynamics and kinematics.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the relationship between linear velocity and angular velocity, questioning the assumptions made about the motion of point Q. There are discussions about the implications of Q's movement on the angular velocity of the rods, as well as considerations for calculating tangential velocity and acceleration.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, with some offering clarifications and suggestions for further exploration. There is recognition of the complexity involved in the calculations, particularly regarding the motion of point Q and the need for a suitable coordinate system.

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There are indications that the participants are grappling with the challenges of rotating frames and the non-horizontal nature of certain accelerations, which may affect their calculations and understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement
As shown in the figure, two rods PQ and QR, pinned at Q and rod QR is hinged at R. P moves with a velocity v0 and acceleration a0 along the incline. We are required to find the angular velocities of P and Q, angular acceleration of PQ as well as QR.
Relevant Equations
ωPQ=v⊥/ℓ
My line of thinking is as follows:

\omega_{PQ} = \frac{v_{\perp}}{\ell} = \frac v\ell \frac{\sqrt3}{2}

Similarly for rod ##QR##

\omega_{QR} = \frac{v_{\perp}}{\ell} = \frac v\ell \frac{\sqrt3}{2}

Is my reasoning correct?
 

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Your first equation appears to ignore that Q will move.
Say P is moving up the plane. Then Q moves closer to the plane, increasing the rate at which the rod rotates.
 
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haruspex said:
Your first equation appears to ignore that Q will move.
Say P is moving up the plane. Then Q moves closer to the plane, increasing the rate at which the rod rotates.
Thanks for your reply!

I get it now.
Can you please suggest on which lines should I attempt further.. I'm not so comfy with rotating frames...
 
DrNG said:
Thanks for your reply!

I get it now.
Can you please suggest on which lines should I attempt further.. I'm not so comfy with rotating frames...
I would consider QR rotated through an angle ##\phi## and find expressions for the position of P and the angle of PQ in terms of that. Could be messy, though.
If it were only the angular velocity that is required, you could take ##\phi## as small and make suitable approximations, but the acceleration is a bit harder.
 
For the instantaneous position of the mechanism, I would first try to calculate the tangential velocity and acceleration of Q (both horizontal vectors), which depend on Vo and ao.
You will need to create a system of coordinates aligned in a form that makes calculations easier.
Q is a common point for links RQ and PQ; therefore, you will have velocity values and directions for both ends of link QP and could calculate its center of rotation and angular velocity and acceleration.
 
Lnewqban said:
acceleration of Q (both horizontal vector
The acceleration of Q is not horizontal. That's why it it's a bit tougher.
 

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