Is the Angular Velocity of Pinned Rods Calculated Correctly?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the angular velocity of pinned rods PQ and QR in a mechanical system. The equations presented, ω_{PQ} = v_{\perp}/ℓ and ω_{QR} = v_{\perp}/ℓ, utilize the relationship between linear velocity and angular velocity, factoring in the movement of point Q. Participants emphasize the need to account for the changing position of Q as point P moves, which affects the angular velocity and acceleration calculations. Suggestions include using small angle approximations and establishing a coordinate system for easier calculations.

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Homework Statement
As shown in the figure, two rods PQ and QR, pinned at Q and rod QR is hinged at R. P moves with a velocity v0 and acceleration a0 along the incline. We are required to find the angular velocities of P and Q, angular acceleration of PQ as well as QR.
Relevant Equations
ωPQ=v⊥/ℓ
My line of thinking is as follows:

\omega_{PQ} = \frac{v_{\perp}}{\ell} = \frac v\ell \frac{\sqrt3}{2}

Similarly for rod ##QR##

\omega_{QR} = \frac{v_{\perp}}{\ell} = \frac v\ell \frac{\sqrt3}{2}

Is my reasoning correct?
 

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Your first equation appears to ignore that Q will move.
Say P is moving up the plane. Then Q moves closer to the plane, increasing the rate at which the rod rotates.
 
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haruspex said:
Your first equation appears to ignore that Q will move.
Say P is moving up the plane. Then Q moves closer to the plane, increasing the rate at which the rod rotates.
Thanks for your reply!

I get it now.
Can you please suggest on which lines should I attempt further.. I'm not so comfy with rotating frames...
 
DrNG said:
Thanks for your reply!

I get it now.
Can you please suggest on which lines should I attempt further.. I'm not so comfy with rotating frames...
I would consider QR rotated through an angle ##\phi## and find expressions for the position of P and the angle of PQ in terms of that. Could be messy, though.
If it were only the angular velocity that is required, you could take ##\phi## as small and make suitable approximations, but the acceleration is a bit harder.
 
For the instantaneous position of the mechanism, I would first try to calculate the tangential velocity and acceleration of Q (both horizontal vectors), which depend on Vo and ao.
You will need to create a system of coordinates aligned in a form that makes calculations easier.
Q is a common point for links RQ and PQ; therefore, you will have velocity values and directions for both ends of link QP and could calculate its center of rotation and angular velocity and acceleration.
 
Lnewqban said:
acceleration of Q (both horizontal vector
The acceleration of Q is not horizontal. That's why it it's a bit tougher.
 

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