Is the Function Differentiable and Continuous Based on Its Derivative?

  • Thread starter Thread starter UrbanXrisis
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Derivative
AI Thread Summary
The discussion centers on the differentiability and continuity of a function f at x=2, based on the limit definition of the derivative. It is established that f is continuous and differentiable at x=2, given the limit condition provided. However, the continuity of the derivative at x=2 is debated, with examples cited that demonstrate differentiable functions can have discontinuous derivatives. A counterexample involving a piecewise function illustrates that differentiability does not guarantee derivative continuity. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the conditions under which these properties hold true.
UrbanXrisis
Messages
1,192
Reaction score
1
let f be a function such that lim_{ h->x} \frac{f(2+h)-f(2)}{h} = 5

Which of the following must be true?

I. f is continuous at x=2.
II. F is differentiable at x=2.
III. The derivative of f is continuous at x=2.

I know (I) is true because it can be differentiated
I know that (II) is ture to because the derivative was found so it can be differentiable.
I don't know if III is true because the it doesn't tell me the limit of f'(x)

are these correct?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
That isn't the limit definition for a derivative unless x = 0, or maybe you typed it in wrong.
 
UrbanXrisis said:
let f be a function such that lim_{ h->0} \frac{f(2+h)-f(2)}{h} = 5

Which of the following must be true?

I. f is continuous at x=2.
II. F is differentiable at x=2.
III. The derivative of f is continuous at x=2.

I know (I) is true because it can be differentiated.I know that (II) is ture to because the derivative was found so it can be differentiable.
I don't know if (III) is true because the it doesn't tell me the limit of f'(x)

are these correct?

It's okay...At least,for me...I edited your typo and advise u to use the code

\lim_{...} for the limit and \rightarrow for the "->"...

Daniel.
 
UrbanXrisis said:
let f be a function such that lim_{ h->x} \frac{f(2+h)-f(2)}{h} = 5

Which of the following must be true?

I. f is continuous at x=2.
II. F is differentiable at x=2.
III. The derivative of f is continuous at x=2.
I think this must be:

\lim_{h\rightarrow{0}} \frac{f(2+h)-f(2)}{h} = 5 (ie. 0, not x)

I know (I) is true because it can be differentiated
I agree, with one caveat: We don't know the domain of h. If h can be positive or negative, f would be differentiable at 2 and, therefore, continous.

I know that (II) is ture to because the derivative was found so it can be differentiable.
True, subject to the above.
I don't know if III is true because the it doesn't tell me the limit of f'(x)
I think that if a function f(x) is differentiable at x, its derivative must be continuous at x.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
I think that if a function f(x) is differentiable at x, its derivative must be continuous at x.
AM

Not true. Counterexample: Let f(x) = x2sin(1/x) for x != 0, and f(x) = 0 when x = 0. Then f is differentiable at zero, but the derivative is not continuous at 0.
 
hypermorphism said:
Not true. Counterexample: Let f(x) = x2sin(1/x) for x != 0, and f(x) = 0 when x = 0. Then f is differentiable at zero, but the derivative is not continuous at 0.

wait, you just said that x!=0, how can "f(x) = 0 when x = 0" when you just said x can't equal zero?
 
UrbanXrisis said:
wait, you just said that x!=0, how can "f(x) = 0 when x = 0" when you just said x can't equal zero?

This is a piecewise function. f(x) has one rule when x is not zero (!=0), and another rule when x=0.
 
UrbanXrisis said:
wait, you just said that x!=0, how can "f(x) = 0 when x = 0" when you just said x can't equal zero?

No, he didn't say that. He said that as long as x is NOT 0, you define
f(x) to be x2 sin(1/x) (which obviously can't be correct for x=0) but that if x IS 0, f(0)= 0.
 
Back
Top