Is the ratio of the two times in the right direction?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a spacecraft traveling from Earth to the Sun, a distance of 8.3 light minutes, in 5 minutes according to its onboard clocks. The initial approach using gamma (γ) was incorrect, leading to confusion about the relationship between the time experienced by the spacecraft and an observer at rest. Participants clarify that the correct method involves using the time dilation equation, where the time observed by the spacecraft (300 seconds) relates to the time observed from rest (1.5 x 10^11 m divided by velocity). The key takeaway is to rewrite gamma in terms of velocity to solve for the spacecraft's speed accurately. The discussion emphasizes the importance of correctly applying relativistic equations in this context.
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Homework Statement



Sun and Earth are 8.3 lightminutes apart, as measured in their rest frame. What is the speed of a spacecraft that makes the trip in 5.0 min according to its onboard clocks?

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I'm not really sure how to proceed. I figured out that 8.3 lightmins = 1.5 x 10^11 m. I was thinking that since the ship traveled in a time span of 5 minutes that gamma = 1.66 (8.3/5) but apparently that was incorrect.

Is the ratio of the two times in the right direction? I don't see any other way to find the velocity
 
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I'm confused by this equation you gave...

gamma = 1.66 (8.3/5)

this isn't right. remember 8.3lightminutes is a distance as you calculated...

What is the time the trip takes according to an observer at rest? The distance divided by that time is the velocity you need... you'll have both a gamma and a v in your equation... but you can rewrite gamma in terms of v... then you can solve the equation for v.
 
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t = x / v = 8.3 lightmins / v

What equation should I be using so far I've tried x' = gamma(x - vt) and t' = gamma(t -vx/c^2) but I haven't been able to come up with anything useable with them yet.

I would think the former, but I tried that and I actually got c for the answer.
 
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t = x / v = 8.3 lightmins / v

Yes, so t = 1.5*10^11/v

That's the time seen by an observer at rest... an observer inside the ship sees 5 min = 300s.

So use the time dilation relationship to relate 1.5*10^11/v and 300
 
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Time dilation: \Delta{t} = \gamma\Delta{t_0}

where \Delta{t_0} is the proper time (time elapsed in the ship)
 
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