Isochoric and Isobaric (Ch.15 problem #26 Wiley+)

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The discussion centers on solving a thermodynamics problem involving a monatomic ideal gas through isobaric and isochoric processes. Key questions include calculating work done during the transitions, heat added or removed, and changes in internal energy. Participants clarify that while the pressure is not explicitly known, it remains constant during isobaric processes, allowing for the use of the equation W = P(Vf - Vi). It is emphasized that work done during isochoric processes is zero. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying thermodynamic equations for different types of processes.
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Chapter 15, Problem 26

The drawing refers to 5.30 mol of a monatomic ideal gas and shows a process that has four steps, two isobaric (A to B, C to D) and two isochoric (B to C, D to A). (a) What is the work done from A to B? (b) What is the heat added or removed from B to C? (c) What is the change in internal energy from C to D? (d) What is the work done from D to A?




Homework Equations



W= nRT(Vf/Vi)


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W= 5.3mol * 8.31 * 800K *(Vf/Vi) this is where I am stick I don't know how to find the volume. I tried using V=nRT/P but I don't know the pressure?

Thanks in advance, the homework is due tonight.
 

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Welcome to PF trinot,
trinot said:
W= 5.3mol * 8.31 * 800K *(Vf/Vi) this is where I am stick I don't know how to find the volume. I tried using V=nRT/P but I don't know the pressure?
No you don't know the actual value of the pressure, but you know that it remains constant throughout the process :wink:
 
I am still not sure what to do, does this mean I can ignore it and just use V=nRT/P?

Thanks!
 
Hi trinot,

I believe you are using the wrong equation for the work done by the gas. For an isothermal process the work done by a gas is

<br /> W = nRT \ln\left({\frac{V_f}{V_i}\right)<br />

but these processes are not isothermal.

For an isochoric process the work done is zero; for an isobaric process the work done by the gas is

<br /> W= P (V_f - V_i)<br />

Since you know n and T for all four points on the graph you can find the values of (PV_f) and (PV_i).
 
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