Fukushima Japan earthquake - contamination & consequences outside Fukushima NPP

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The French IRSN has released a report detailing contamination levels around the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, highlighting cesium contamination based on SPEEDI/MEXT estimations. Concerns have been raised about the transparency and accuracy of radiation projections, with some questioning the reliability of data from the IAEA and Japanese agencies. The discussion emphasizes the emotional impact on the Japanese population, particularly regarding safety standards for children exposed to radiation. There are ongoing debates about the adequacy of current radiation limits and the effectiveness of monitoring efforts. Overall, the conversation reflects significant distrust in the reporting and management of nuclear contamination issues.
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Radioactive material detected in Iwate pastures

The Iwate Prefectural Government has again detected a radioactive substance above the state limit in pasture grass in several areas in the prefecture. The prefecture asked farmers in the areas to refrain from feeding the grass to their livestock.

The prefectural government found on Tuesday radioactive cesium exceeding the limit of 300 becquerels per kilogram in grass collected from pastures in four areas, including Tono and Otsuchi. The areas are located about 150 to 200 kilometers north of the Fukushima nuclear power plant.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/16_17.html
 
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QuantumPion said:
I've mentioned that example twice, both times in response to the same comment that only nuclear accidents create long term environmental damage. There are plenty more examples of other industrial accidents causing severe ecological consequences, I point to this one because its effects are particularly long lasting.

Without being "accidents", dams are also causing ecological destructions over large areas. For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akosombo_Dam#Impacts and http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7140217.ece (about the Three Gorges Dam)
 
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Firstly i would like to thank all the very knowlegable members for discussing this topic with such detail. Forgive me if the following questions are somewhat amateur in nature...

As my nickname suggests, i live in Tokyo, and while the air radiation levels have not really worried me thus far, i am starting to get concerned with the amount of radiation in food such as fish, vegetables and meat. The seemingly random government checking of certain foods is not as thorough as i would like for peace of mind when i do my weekly shopping. It seems that virtually ALL vegetables come from Ibaraki prefecture these days (north of Tokyo, south of Fukushima), and while i would like to support those farmers, i also like to support my own health.

While I do realize that your typical geiger counter/dosimeter is not much use for accurately measuring radiation in food, but i would like to know if there is anything i can do to approximate food radiation on my own.

I assume that by now, the main radioactive sources left in food/vegetables will be Cs-137 (and Sr-90). Are there any formulas that could help me calculate how many microsieverts i would expect to see caused by these isotopes by holding the geiger counter against a piece of spinach in my shopping basket?


1. Would the 'legal limit' of 500bq/kg for Cs-137 register any more than the background radiation in Tokyo for approx 300g of spinach? (Avg background radiation s 0.10-0.16 microsieverts/hr)

Of course spinach is just an example, but if its possible here, i would like to apply the formula for other vegetables/foods.


2. Would there be any merit in trying to build my own food radiation sensor, using a thick steel pot or something as a radiation isolator; to discount background radiation during food checking? (using the aforementioned geiger counter)

Thanks in advance for any info you can give me.
 
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Perhaps i have answered my own question, but would this be useful?
http://www.radprocalculator.com/Gamma.aspx

Cs-137
300g @ 500bq/kg = 150bq
distance of 1cm or so (geiger counter sitting on top of it)
= 0.1146uSv/h, or similar to background radiation levels here.

I suppose some sort of device to reduce/cancel out background radiation might be useful
 
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http://www.saitama-np.co.jp/news06/22/09.html : 26,100 Bq/kg of cesium were found in ashes from burnt sewage cakes in Chichibu city on 19 May. The highest value for Saitama prefecture on 10 June was found at the sewage plant in Toda city with 15,000 Bq/kg. Cement companies refuse to recycle ashes above 100 Bq/kg. 40 tons of ashes are produced everyday in 5 plants in the prefecture.
 
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Well here is something I never thought I would read. Japanese have cesium and iodine in their pee. Which means they have a body burden of it.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110627a2.html
 
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robinson said:
Well here is something I never thought I would read. Japanese have cesium and iodine in their pee.

The way it is reported is as meaningless as possible.

More than 3 millisieverts of radiation has been measured in the urine

3 mSv per what?
 
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I feel the same way about the figures they give about the contaminated water.
 
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For the first time since reactor problems started, we will have actual data and science applied to study the effects of a meltdown on people.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110627x2.html

No more guessing and playing games about the effects, like what happened in Russia.
 
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Take a quick read of this french analysis, particularly Koto-ku in Tokyo showing cesium in the tens to hundreds of kbq/m2:

http://www.acro.eu.org/RAP110620-OCJ%2801%29-v1.pdf

Then compare those figures against this swedish epidemiological study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1732641/pdf/v058
p01011.pdf

Conclusion? Cancer rates in parts of Tokyo are undeniably going up.
 
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So, nothing over 260,000 Bq/m2 measured in Tokyo?
That's an acceptable soil contamination level for my kids to be playing in, right?
 
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swl said:
That's an acceptable soil contamination level for my kids to be playing in, right?

Umm, wait. What?
 
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Jim Lagerfeld said:
Conclusion? Cancer rates in parts of Tokyo are undeniably going up.

Certainly possible, but I wouldn't say its a certainty (or "undeniable") given the Swedish study that was linked. Firstly, the study says it does not take into account the ingestion of local produce, which presumably plays a significant role in internal exposure rates (and therefore cancer rates). I don't think the residents of that section of Tokyo are growing much of their own produce in that soil. Secondly, the highest level mentioned in Tokyo in your first link is for an extremely localized area in the northern part of Tokyo, while the Swedish study seems to be describing areas of far more widespread contamination. There could also be a bias induced by increased awareness and screening for cancer post-Chernobyl.

Just my two cents.
 
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Gary7 said:
Certainly possible, but I wouldn't say its a certainty (or "undeniable") given the Swedish study that was linked. Firstly, the study says it does not take into account the ingestion of local produce, which presumably plays a significant role in internal exposure rates (and therefore cancer rates). I don't think the residents of that section of Tokyo are growing much of their own produce in that soil. Secondly, the highest level mentioned in Tokyo in your first link is for an extremely localized area in the northern part of Tokyo, while the Swedish study seems to be describing areas of far more widespread contamination. There could also be a bias induced by increased awareness and screening for cancer post-Chernobyl.

I agree that nothing is certain, and the opportunity for the injection of bias to slant the outcome of the data is hard to compare between Sweden and Japan. I don't know which country has a stronger vested interest in the promotion of nuclear power.

I'm not sure I understand your point about Koto ku being an "extremely localized area", but I would like to point out that the population density in Kotou ku is very high at over 11,000 people per km. This is greater than double the population density of Stockholm at 4,500/km.
And most of the produce for Tokyo comes from the rural areas in Tohoku and northern Kanto; areas much closer to Fukushima than Tokyo is.
 
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Gary7 said:
Certainly possible, but I wouldn't say its a certainty (or "undeniable") given the Swedish study that was linked. Firstly, the study says it does not take into account the ingestion of local produce, which presumably plays a significant role in internal exposure rates (and therefore cancer rates). I don't think the residents of that section of Tokyo are growing much of their own produce in that soil. Secondly, the highest level mentioned in Tokyo in your first link is for an extremely localized area in the northern part of Tokyo, while the Swedish study seems to be describing areas of far more widespread contamination. There could also be a bias induced by increased awareness and screening for cancer post-Chernobyl.

Just my two cents.

These are very fair observations, and I definitely considered some of these arguments before I posted.

Firstly, regarding local produce. As a resident of Tokyo, I can confirm that we are not consuming many products grown in Tokyo. However - and swl alludes to this - agricultural production in Japan is extremely localised. Due to strict import tariffs and government advocacy, more than 90% of what is on sale in Tokyo at the moment is produce from radiation affected areas. Fukushima cucumbers, Ibaraki Spinach, Chiba carrots. I am following the spirit of the IRSN recommendations regarding providence of produce, and I am struggling to find anything produced outside the wider contamination zone. At this point it comes down to how much faith one puts in the Japanese testing regime as compared to the limitations put in place in Sweden after Chernobyl.

As for the 'extremely localized' contamination figures for eastern Tokyo, I would point out that we are discussing these measurements due to the action of concerned citizens. These figures seem isolated due to that fact that no one is measuring on a systematic level - concerned parents in Koto-ku went out to the local park, sunk a spade and sent the soil away for testing. The fact that they stumbled upon such a hot spot suggest to me that, far from being 'extremely localized', the problems are in fact much more wide spread than has been admitted, although we can revisit this again when a more comprehensive survey has been undertaken. However I would bet you the price of a geiger counter that, by using the previously mentioned NNISTAR map along with the expanding citizen led mapping at safecast.jp, I could go out tomorrow and find you 10 soil samples bearing comparable levels of contamination in wider Eastern Tokyo.

Finally, it is worth noting that the Swedish study dealt with lower contamination levels - it broke contamination down into band of <3000, 3000-29 0000, 30 0000 - 39 000, 40 000 - 59 000, 60 000 - 79 000, 80 000 - 120 000 bq/m2. The results were surprisingly linear, so if (hypothetically) most of Koto-ku is 10 times less contaminated than the 200,000 bq/m2 hotspot in the public park in Oshima, the conclusion remains the same - cancer rates in parts of Tokyo can be expected to increase.
 
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I can't vouch for the source, but this article claims that Prussian Blue, the most effective chelation agent (not exactly "antidote") for Cs-137 ingestion is nearly unavailable in Japan, and imports and domestic production are slowed by red tape and indifference. I'll try to verify this information, but it makes me want to tear my hair out.

http://www.truth-out.org/fukushimas-cesium-spew-eludes-prussian-blues-deadly-catch-22s-japan-disaster-relief/1308930096


As for the radioactive cesium and iodine detected in urine samples from Fukushima residents, I'm again very frustrated that the reporting is so spotty. The same was the case when radionuclides were detected in breast milk some time back. Why can't they include a "tech info box" or something with links to the original study, demographic info, what the radiation levels are like where they live, what they've been eating, etc.. For those who had iodine in their urine, did they follow up with a thyroid survey? Etc..

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110627a2.html
 
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robinson said:
Well here is something I never thought I would read. Japanese have cesium and iodine in their pee. Which means they have a body burden of it.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110627a2.html

More than 3 millisieverts of radiation has been measured in the urine of 15 Fukushima residents of the village of Iitate and the town of Kawamata, confirming internal radiation exposure, it was learned Sunday.

Not surprising. Iitate lies directly in the path of north-west fallout "tongue". It is probably the worst-hit village.
 
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@swl
The point I was trying to make was that Koto-Ku is an area of some 39 km2, and of that area there seems to be a massive variance in the level of contamination. Some areas (Oshima 9-2) have contamination of 122 kBq/m2, while other areas (Higashisuna, which is maybe a kilometer from Oshima 9-2) have contamination of about 1 kBq/m2. This is what I mean by the highest level being in an extremely localized area, and to my mind it seems a bit too simplistic to say that cancer will increase in Tokyo based on the data presented.

@ Jim Lagerfeld
As a fellow Tokyoite and fellow survivor, let me say its good to meet you here. I don't know whether or not 90% of what we are buying at our house is coming from the affected areas, but I am somewhat encouraged by the widespread testing that is going on. Some may call me naive for believing the government on this, but if they are discovering and publicizing contamination in green tea from Shizuoka I am optimistic that they are not hiding contamination levels of other products. Regarding contamination in eastern Tokyo; I don't have any argument with your observations here. I am intrigued by the wide variance of contamination levels in such a relatively small area, but as you say, we can revisit this again at another date. To your last point, if the relative risk is 0.11 per 100 kBq/m2, how do we apply this to residents of Tokyo in a way that is meaningful? Right now the only area in this survey that has this level of contamination is the park in Oshima. Many of the other areas, including the produce-growing areas, have levels of contamination that are below the threshold associated with any incident increase in cancer.

I guess I'm just hyper sensitive to blanket statements concerning radiation risk. Its a conversation we have almost nightly around the dinner table at my house.
 
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Thanks for your considered response Gary, for us in Japan this debate is much more personal.

Regarding the Shizuoka Tea, I'm wondering if you have access to the full story, as I tend to look at that particular example as another reason not to believe that the random testing and voluntary suspensions are as effective as they could be.

If you read these translated articles in reverse order you'll get a reasonably full picture http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/search/label/Shizuoka, but in short radiation was first detected in fresh tea but the growers and the governor conspired to exclude the final product from further testing to 'avoid confusion'. An organic home delivery company in Tokyo commissioned independent tests and proved that the final shipped product from some regions was indeed contaminated. The Governor relented and ordered further testing, however the delay had meant that most of the first harvest had already shipped, hence the contaminated tea getting seized at the French airport.

Regarding 'blanket statements', the only one I've been hearing - and I've lost count - is the 'contamination levels will not effect human health' 「健康に影響はない.」line. This is at best mistaken and at worst misleading, as the LNT (Linear Non-Threshold) hypothesis reminds us that there is no 'threshold'. In fact 65 teachers at Tokyo University petitioned their own school to stop making those 'no health impact' claims, as they viewed it as scientifically dishonest given that they have a campus at Kashiwa, another area on the Tokyo border with contamination in the order of 100 kBq/m2.

http://sites.google.com/site/utokyoradiation/home/request

Personally, I'd much rather see the 'no risk to health' myth put to bed so everyone can focus on better minimizing the risk. On a side note, I think the 11% increase in relative risk per 100 kBq/m2 compares to roughly 2300% for smokers vs non-smokers, so I'm staying in Tokyo but cutting down on smokes!
 
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Jim Lagerfeld said:
Personally, I'd much rather see the 'no risk to health' myth put to bed so everyone can focus on better minimizing the risk. On a side note, I think the 11% increase in relative risk per 100 kBq/m2 compares to roughly 2300% for smokers vs non-smokers, so I'm staying in Tokyo but cutting down on smokes!

Good for you! Smoking in contaminated areas is a bad idea anyway - smokers tend to inhale through their mouths, bypassing all that nice filtration equipment Pachacamac gave us.
 
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Azby said:
I can't vouch for the source, but this article claims that Prussian Blue, the most effective chelation agent (not exactly "antidote") for Cs-137 ingestion is nearly unavailable in Japan, and imports and domestic production are slowed by red tape and indifference. I'll try to verify this information, but it makes me want to tear my hair out.

Sounds like Japan. I still remember what happened after the Kobe earthquake. They detained swiss rescue dogs because of quarantine issues. After a few days they were freed - and got assigned to places with all rubble already cleared. What the hell is a rescue dog supposed to do there?
Same story for JAL flight 123. American forces arrived at the crash site right after impact. But japanese government ordered them away because the JSDF would do the job. Which arrived not until the next day. And found a mere four survivors out of over five hundred.

History doesn't repeat itself, but it repeats its lessons...
 
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Jim Lagerfeld said:
Ex-skf translates this article - 2,700bq/kg found in green tea grown in Itabashi ward, Tokyo.

Same thing happened after Chernobyl: Georgian tea (Caucasus, not US Georgia) was found to accumulate significant levels. Drying process of tea makes leaves work as an air filter.

Another thing to check for in Tokyo area is residential ventilation air filters and such...
 
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http://jp.wsj.com/Japan/node_258611 The Wall Street Journal has a fresh new interview (his first one since he resigned from his government job) of Toshiso Kosako, described as Japan's number one radiation safety expert. He says the government is underestimating the contamination of the sea and fish in order to lower the decontamination cost. The rice harvest, next autumn, is also a matter of concern. If the radiation in the rice from the Tohoku region becomes a scandal, consumers may refuse to buy it.

The English version of the article is here : http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304450604576419560689685524.html
 
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A fairly detailed and objective description of the degree of contamination of Japanese green tea, and various repercussions thereof, from a tea supplier's newsletter:

http://www.teamuse.com/article_110701.html
 
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http://www.afpbb.com/article/disast...pbb&utm_medium=topics&utm_campaign=txt_topics Hot spots found in Fukushima City in a study made by the Kobe university school of marine study at the request of citizen groups. They are above the government level of 10,000 Bq/kg with radiations of 46,540 Bq/kg in Earth samples in one area and between 16,290 and 19,220 Bq/kg in three other areas.

http://www.jiji.com/jc/eqa?g=eqa&k=2011070500588 air radiations were measured between 3.2 and 3.83 microsievert/hour. The citizen groups stress that these areas would fall into the compulsory relocation area category if they were located in Chernobyl. At a school where the City government found 0.15 microsievert/hour, the study found 1.86 microsievert/hour and 13,812 Bq/kg.
 
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Run away
 
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Nishio Masamichi, a radiation expert at the Hokkaido Cancer Center, recently wrote a long article for the Toyo Keizai magazine. It's summarized in English here:

http://japanfocus.org/events/view/100

Original Japanese here:

http://www.toyokeizai.net/business/society/detail/AC/548a752507bc6c3aa0fd3db058e8098a/page/1/

Most of it is very informed criticism, particularly of government actions since the disaster began. I agree with quite a lot, if not most, of what he says. It's also interesting to note that he does not accept Busby and Yablokov's risk predictions:

"The European Committee on Radiation Risk argues that existing risk models do not take internal exposure into account. High rates of internal exposure will mean a dramatic increase in cancer risk for Fukushima residents, with as many as 400,000 cases predicted by 2061. Nishio argues, however, that these calculations rest on some shaky assumptions and that the number is too high."

Busby and Yablokov are key members of the European Committee on Radiation Risk (ECRR).

I'd like to see this article translated in full. I think it would add a lot to the debate.
 
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