Jar of water in a box, how would You prevent condensation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods to prevent condensation inside a box containing a jar of water that is significantly colder than the surrounding air. Participants explore various theoretical and practical approaches to mitigate condensation, considering factors such as insulation, air quality, and environmental conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest insulating the jar to reduce condensation.
  • Others propose using dry air inside the box to lower the dew point below the jar's temperature.
  • Heating the outside of the jar is mentioned as a potential method to prevent condensation.
  • A participant introduces a scenario involving a tube carrying sub-ambient water and questions the effectiveness of a mini dehumidifier in a non-airtight box.
  • Concerns are raised about the impact of external humidity on condensation inside the box.
  • Suggestions include capping the jar to prevent evaporation and using silica gel to dry the air within the box.
  • Coating surfaces with hydrophobic substances is proposed as a way to reduce condensation.
  • Participants discuss the role of airflow in the box and its potential effects on condensation, noting that dry air could be beneficial.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the best methods to prevent condensation, with no consensus reached on a single effective solution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the conditions inside and outside the box, such as the humidity levels and the box's airtightness, which remain unresolved.

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I'm not sure if this is the right section... But

Assume you have a medium sized box (about as big as a large desktop computer) inside a room.

And inside the box there is a jar of water that is significantly colder than the outside temperature.


How would you prevent water condensation from occurring inside the box?


Rules (the ones I can think of so far..):
- You cannot lower the rooms temperature to match the water.
- The solution should be semi-reasonable.

I have a few Ideas but I'll like to see if anybody else can come up with them first. Thanks.
 
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Water condensation from the air in the box, at the jar?
  • Insulate the jar
  • Use dry air inside the box to lower the dew point below the jar temperature
  • Heat the outside of the jar

All three methods get used in real applications.
 
The jar...

I've got a better example though, assume you have a cardboard box, with a tube running through it horizontally. The tube is carrying sub-ambient water through it and you don't want water to condensate on the tube (or anywhere for that matter) so that the box will became wet. Even a little bit of moisture is failure, any ideas?Judging from what you said, would a mini de-humidifier inside the box work? What if the air on the outside of the box is still humid? The box isn't airtight. Would that have an effect?
 
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The three options are still my answer, and which one is best will depend on the specific application.

Judging from what you said, would a mini de-humidifier inside the box work? What if the air on the outside of the box is still humid? Would that have an effect?
If the box is not air tight, it can have an effect.
 
What do you mean exactly by insulate the jar / tube?

Would plastic or something work?

Edit: What do you think about the box having a lot of airflow? Would that have any effect on the condensation?
 
1. Cap the jar to prevent ongoing evaporation, then put a pack of silica gel in the box to dry the air.

2. Coat all surfaces inside the box with a strongly hydrophobic substance such as a silicon polymer anti-fog windscreen treatment.

This hypothetical question has too many arbitrary degrees of freedom.
 
diesel47 said:
What do you mean exactly by insulate the jar / tube?

Would plastic or something work?
Some thermal insulation layer around the tube. Polystyrene foam ("Styrofoam") or whatever you have available.

Edit: What do you think about the box having a lot of airflow? Would that have any effect on the condensation?
If it is dry air, sure. Otherwise, it depends on the setup.
 

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