Kinematics problem - Bullet in block of wood

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A 3.50 kg block of wood is at rest on a 1.75 m high fencepost when a 12.0 g bullet is fired horizontally into it, causing the block to topple and land 1.25 m away. The time of flight for the block is calculated to be approximately 0.597 seconds, leading to a horizontal velocity of about 2.09 m/s after the collision. Using conservation of momentum, the initial speed of the bullet is calculated to be around 612.47 m/s, which some participants note is reasonable for a bullet. However, concerns are raised about the energy loss due to the block's rotation as it topples, and the assumption that the bullet remains embedded in the block is questioned. The discussion emphasizes the importance of considering all energy transformations in such collision problems.
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A 3.50kg block of wood is at rest on a 1.75-m high fencepost. When a 12.0g bullet is fired horizontally into the block, the block topples off the post and lands 1.25m away. What was the speed of the bullet immediately before the collision?The attempt at a solution
d=1/2at^2
t=*sqrt(2d-vertical-)/a
t=*sqrt[(2)(1.75m)/(9.81m/s^2)
t= 0.597309633s

d= vt
vf = d(horizontal)/t
vf= 1.25m/0.597309633m/s^2
vf= 2.09216961m/s

Conservation of momentum (P1+P2)before = (Psystem) after
(m of bullet * vi of bullet) + (m of block * vi of block) = (m of system * vf of system)
(0.012kg*vi) + (0) = (3.512kg*2.09216961m/s)
(0.012kg)vi = 7.349621967kg*m/s
vi = 7.349621967kg/.012kg
vi = 612.4684m/s

The initial velocity seems a bit high and I'm not sure how else to approach the question. Help please! :)
 
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paytona said:

Homework Statement


A 3.50kg block of wood is at rest on a 1.75-m high fencepost. When a 12.0g bullet is fired horizontally into the block, the block topples off the post and lands 1.25m away. What was the speed of the bullet immediately before the collision?


The attempt at a solution
d=1/2at^2
t=*sqrt(2d-vertical-)/a
t=*sqrt[(2)(1.75m)/(9.81m/s^2)
t= 0.597309633s

d= vt
vf = d(horizontal)/t
vf= 1.25m/0.597309633m/s^2
vf= 2.09216961m/s

Conservation of momentum (P1+P2)before = (Psystem) after
(m of bullet * vi of bullet) + (m of block * vi of block) = (m of system * vf of system)
(0.012kg*vi) + (0) = (3.512kg*2.09216961m/s)
(0.012kg)vi = 7.349621967kg*m/s
vi = 7.349621967kg/.012kg
vi = 612.4684m/s

The initial velocity seems a bit high and I'm not sure how else to approach the question. Help please! :)
looks good! Bullets travel mighty fast.
 
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Apart from too many significant figures in the final answer, I do not see anything wrong in your solution. And 612 m/s is not too high for a bullet.
 
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One cause for concern: it says "topples". That implies a rolling movement, so some of the energy has gone into rotation.
 
paytona said:

Homework Statement


A 3.50kg block of wood is at rest on a 1.75-m high fencepost. When a 12.0g bullet is fired horizontally into the block, the block topples off the post and lands 1.25m away. What was the speed of the bullet immediately before the collision?


The attempt at a solution
d=1/2at^2
t=*sqrt(2d-vertical-)/a
t=*sqrt[(2)(1.75m)/(9.81m/s^2)
t= 0.597309633s

d= vt
vf = d(horizontal)/t
vf= 1.25m/0.597309633m/s^2
vf= 2.09216961m/s

Conservation of momentum (P1+P2)before = (Psystem) after
(m of bullet * vi of bullet) + (m of block * vi of block) = (m of system * vf of system)
(0.012kg*vi) + (0) = (3.512kg*2.09216961m/s)
Why are you multiplying by 3.512kg?

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Why are you multiplying by 3.512kg?

AM

Mass of block+bullet?
 
haruspex said:
Mass of block+bullet?
The problem does not say that the bullet stays in the block but perhaps it is implied. I cannot imagine how a 3.5kg block of wood is going to stop a 12g rifle bullet at 2000 feet per second.

AM
 
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