How High Will the Toboggan Go on a Frictionless Hill?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum height a toboggan will reach on a frictionless hill inclined at 28 degrees, starting with an initial speed of 12 m/s. The initial attempt used the formula height = [(v*sin(angle))^2] / (2g), yielding an incorrect height of approximately 1.62m. A participant suggested using the conservation of energy approach, leading to a corrected height calculation of 7.35m. The conversation highlights the importance of using the right equations and understanding the principles of energy conservation in physics problems. Overall, the final consensus supports the energy conservation method for accurate results.
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Homework Statement


At the base of a frictionless icy hill that rises at 28.0 degrees above the horizontal, a toboggan has a speed of 12.0m/s toward the hill. How high vertically above the base will it go before stopping?


Homework Equations


height = [(v*sin (angle))^2] / (2g)


The Attempt at a Solution


height = [(v*sin (angle))^2] / (2g)
height = [(12m/s*sin(28degrees))^2] / (2(9.8m/s^2))
height = 31.74m^2/s^2 / 19.6m/s^2
height = approx 1.62m

I think I made a mistake with the velocity because this answer is incorrect. Can someone help me please and thank you.
 
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I don't see any problem with that. I get the same thing.
 
I would do this problem with a more general equation like the conservation of energy (KE + PE = Etotal). It looks like the equation you gave was something that you didn't derive yourself and was specific to another situation. If you did derive this equation, rethink the velocity.
 
No, I disagree with his current answer. Dick, when using the conservation of energy, it doesn't matter which direction v is in. So there's no need to find a specific component of v.
 
In that case...

height = (v^2) / (2g)
height = (12m/s)^2 / (2*9.8m/s^2)
height = 144m^2/s^2 / 19.6m/s^2
height = 7.35m

or if I used energy...

KE=GPE
0.5mv^2 = mgh
0.5v^2 = gh (mass drops out)
0.5*(12m/s)^2 = h*9.8m/s^2
72m^2/s^2 = h*9.8m/s^2
(72m^2/s^2) / (9.8m/s^2) = 7.35m

This answer worked. Thanks Anadyne. Can't get em all Dick ;p
 
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Anadyne said:
No, I disagree with his current answer. Dick, when using the conservation of energy, it doesn't matter which direction v is in. So there's no need to find a specific component of v.

Ooops. Sorry. Guess it's time to lay off the problem solving for tonite. Thanks for the correction.
 
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