Kinetic Energy & Work Problem -- Tractor Pull Competition

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The discussion revolves around a kinetic energy and work problem related to a tractor pull competition. The key equations used include work (W) equating to the change in kinetic energy (ΔKE) and the relationship between final and initial kinetic energy. It is established that the final kinetic energy for one tractor is four times that of the other, prompting questions about initial kinetic energy and energy losses due to friction. The calculation of work done by friction is clarified, revealing that frictional forces and energy losses are equal for both tractors since they experience the same normal force and displacement. Ultimately, the participants conclude that the energy lost to friction is equal for both cases, supporting their reasoning through elimination of incorrect answers.
Lori

Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



W = ΔKE
W = KEf-KEi

The Attempt at a Solution


W = .5mvf2 -.5mvi2
I know that final KE for A is 4 times the KE of B because for A ... KEf = 1/2 m (2v)^2
4KE = 1/2 m v ^2 for A

I don't know what initial KE for both of them are... so how do i know if that had equal losses of energy to friction??
 

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Lori said:
so how do i know if that had equal losses of energy to friction??
How would you determine the energy loss due to friction? Hint: How would you calculate the work done by friction?
 
Hmmmm. I see where this might go. Let me see:

Wfriction = Ffriction*d
Ffriction = μk*N
N = mg --> Normal force is same for both cases

Ffrction = same for both cases

thus...! Wfriction = Ff*d (same for both blocks right cause same distance too)

Energy loss is Wfriction = energy of friction loss

I think that is it, so it proves that they loss equal amounts of friction.Also, couldn't i have found the answer by elimination? I know that b) is definitely false because there is friction and it's loss to displacement. I also know a) , d), e) is falso because I found that KE for A is 4 times B which doesn't fit for these choices... so what's left is c) --which i thought would be false, but it was proved otherwise.
 
Lori said:
I think that is it, so it proves that they loss equal amounts of friction.
Good job!

Lori said:
Also, couldn't i have found the answer by elimination?
Only if you were sure about d & e being false, which requires knowing something about the energy lost to friction.
 
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