Kinetic Friction toboggan Problem

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The problem involves a rescue worker pulling a toboggan with an injured skier across flat snow at a constant speed, focusing on the forces acting on the toboggan, particularly the tension in the rope and the frictional force. The goal is to determine the coefficient of kinetic friction between the toboggan and the snow.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the net force acting on the toboggan, questioning whether it equates to zero due to constant speed. They explore the relationship between tension and friction forces, particularly the need to consider the horizontal component of the tension. There is also confusion regarding the appropriate trigonometric function to use for calculating the angle related to the rope tension.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying the components of forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of the tension force and its components. There is an ongoing exploration of potential errors in calculations and assumptions about the normal force.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted uncertainty regarding the correct trigonometric function to apply in the context of the rope tension, as well as the impact of the vertical component of the tension on the normal force acting on the toboggan.

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A rescue worker pulls an injured skier lying on a toboggan (with a combined mass of 127 kg) across flat snow at a constant speed. A 2.43 m rope is attached to the toboggan at ground level, and the rescuer holds the rope taut at shoulder level. If the rescuer's shoulders are 1.65 m above the ground, and the tension in the rope is 148 N, what is the coefficient of kinetic friction between the toboggan and the snow?

I have two questions about this problem.

Is the net force of the toboggan = Tension force - Friction force = ma = 0 ??

Is the Rope tension force = 148*cos(arcsin(1.65/2.43)) ??

I don't know if I am reading the problem about the rope part wrong . Should we be using trigonometry here?
 
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r_swayze said:
Is the net force of the toboggan = Tension force - Friction force = ma = 0 ??

Yes, but careful: the tension force is not the total tension in the rope, but the horizontal component of the total tension.

Is the Rope tension force = 148*cos(arcsin(1.65/2.43)) ??

If you mean the horizontal component of the tension, yes.


I don't know if I am reading the problem about the rope part wrong .

I'm reading it the same way you are.
 
Yes, I meant the horizontal component of the rope tension.

So, that means that the Friction force is the negative of the rope tension's horizontal component?

I computed this and I got the wrong answer. I got a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.0868, when the answer should be 0.0950.

Where have I erred?
 
The angle should be arctan(1.65/2.43), not arcsin.

EDIT: What I just said is totally wrong and arcsin was correct in the first place.
 
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I suspect that you used the full weight of the sled+skier as the normal force, and neglected the fact that the vertical component of the rope's pulling force would pull up on them slightly, reducing the normal force.
 

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