Knee Speed/ Velocity Split for damper

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around determining the ideal knee speed or velocity split for a damper in a car design, specifically relating it to the crossover point in the displacement transmissibility graph to optimize comfort. The conversation involves concepts from vibration theory and the interplay between damper velocity and frequency ratios.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to relate knee speed or crossover speed of a damper to the crossover point in the transmissibility graph for optimal comfort.
  • Another participant clarifies that the crossover point corresponds to a frequency ratio of the square root of two.
  • A third participant shares a resource that may provide additional context on the topic.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how to correlate the crossover point on the transmissibility graph to a damper velocity, referencing a suggestion from a resource they read.
  • A participant with basic knowledge of vibration theory notes that their previous coursework did not cover complex situations like this one.
  • Another participant argues that correlating damper velocity to the crossover point is challenging due to the dependence on multiple factors, including amplitude of damper displacement and road disturbance amplitude.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on how to correlate knee speed and damper velocity, with multiple competing views and uncertainties expressed throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors affecting damper velocity, including frequency, amplitude of displacement, and transmissibility ratio, indicating that the relationship is complex and not fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in automotive engineering, vibration theory, and damper design may find this discussion relevant.

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Hey guys I'm trying to figure out the ideal knee speed or velocity split for a particular car that I'm designing. What I'm trying to do is relate the knee speed (or crossover speed) of my damper to the crossover point in the displacement transmissiblity graph so that I can achieve optimum comfort in most situations. Please refer to the .png files that I've attached. Any help would be very appreciated!
 

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By the way, what I mean by the crossover point of the transmissibility plot is at the square root of two for the frequency ratio.
 
This might help you understand what you are trying to accomplish: http://www.optimumg.com/docs/Springs&Dampers_Tech_Tip_4.pdf
 
That's exactly what I've just read actually. I've read the whole article but my only question out of that article is how to get that split mentioned. All the article said was "
if you’re feeling adventurous, correlate the crossover point on the transmissibility graph to a damper velocity as a split point to start from". My question is: how do you relate them??
 
I have basic knowledge on vibration theory as I've already taken a course on it but it didn't cover complex situations topics such as the one I'm asking. It only covered the theory aspect with the plots.
 
Honestly, I've been looking at this many ways and can't see how you could correlate the two. The damper velocity is related [itex]\omega A[/itex] where [itex]A[/itex] is the amplitude of the damper displacement. So the same damper velocity can be achieved by a small displacement at high frequency or a large displacement at a low frequency. The displacement is a function of the road disturbance amplitude [itex]Z[/itex] as well as the transmissibility ratio (which is also a function of the frequency [itex]TR(\omega)[/itex]). So you get something like [itex]v = \omega TR(\omega)Z[/itex]. Even if you set [itex]\omega = \sqrt{2}\omega_n[/itex], there is still [itex]Z[/itex] that will affect the damper velocity.
 

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