Ladder operators and harmonic oscillator

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The discussion revolves around the properties of ladder operators in the context of the quantum harmonic oscillator, specifically focusing on the expectation values of terms involving these operators in the ground state.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why terms with unequal numbers of raising and lowering operators yield zero expectation values in the ground state. They question the role of orthonormality of eigenfunctions in this context.
  • Some participants suggest considering the effect of the lowering operator on the ground state and the implications of the dual operator.
  • Others explore the consequences of applying the raising and lowering operators on the eigenstates, particularly focusing on the orthonormality of the resulting states.

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The discussion is actively exploring the mathematical implications of applying ladder operators to the ground state. Some participants have provided insights into the operations involved and the resulting states, while others are still seeking clarification on specific points. There is no explicit consensus, but productive lines of reasoning are being developed.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem as it pertains to the properties of the harmonic oscillator's ground state and the behavior of ladder operators. The original poster expresses difficulty in understanding the language used in the discussion.

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1. Explain why any term (such as AA†A†A†)with unequal numbers of raising and lowering operators has zero expectation value in the ground state of a harmonic oscillator.

Explain why any term (such as AA†A†A) with a lowering operator on the extreme right has zero expectation value in the ground state of a harmonic oscillator.

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Please help as I'm totally stuck with this. Does it have to do with orthonormality of different eigenfunctions?
 
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Yes it has, and also consider the ground state as the problem tells you to do.

what is the effect of A on |0> ? And what about it's dual? i.e. <0|A†

Now give it a try, star with your first operator AA†A†A† and tell us what you get and why
 
with AA†A†A† I get \psi_{}n+2. The first to terms convert \psi_{}n into different eigenfunctions. Because \psi_{}n is orthonormal to these eigenfunctions, these terms can be dropped from the integral.

Correct?


Also since the lowering operator is first to act on the ground-state harmonic iscillator, this takes it below the ground-state which cannot be allowed.

On the right track?
 
I have a hard tome to understand your language..

with AA†A†A† acting on the state to the right (remember that this is sandwiched between \psi^* _0 and \psi _0, the two first will give you \psi _2 so what is left is

\psi^* _0 AA^{\dagger} \psi_2

do the rest of the operation:
\psi^* _0 \psi_2
thus integral gives zero

And yes, you can't go further down with the ground state, thus A|0> = 0
 

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