Lagrangian of a Particle in Spherical Coordinates (Is this correct?)

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The original poster attempts to set up the Lagrange equations of motion for a particle in spherical coordinates, addressing the forces acting on the particle and the kinetic energy expression. The problem involves understanding the application of the Lagrangian formalism in a non-uniform field.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the Lagrangian and the differentiation process in spherical coordinates. Some question whether the original poster correctly applied the spherical gradient when taking derivatives. The original poster defends their approach, indicating reliance on the chain rule.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the correctness of the differentiation process and the application of spherical coordinates. There is no explicit consensus yet, as questions about the methodology remain open.

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The original poster notes the absence of a potential function due to the lack of a uniform conservative field, which may influence the interpretation of the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


a.) Set up the Lagrange Equations of motion in spherical coordinates, ρ,θ, [itex]\phi[/itex] for a particle of mass m subject to a force whose spherical components are [itex]F_{\rho},F_{\theta},F_{\phi}[/itex].

This is just the first part of the problem but the other parts do not seem so bad.


Homework Equations


Lagrangian equations of motion.
Since the problem doesn't state it is in any uniform conservative field from which it would have a potential function, I assume I use the more general form of the Lagrangian.
[tex]\frac{d}{dt} \frac{∂T}{∂\dot{q}}-\frac{∂T}{∂q}=Q_k[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



So my three general forces would be..
[tex]Q_{\rho}=F_{\rho}[/tex]
[tex]Q_{\theta}=\rho F_{\theta}[/tex]
[tex]Q_{\phi}=F_{\phi}[/tex]

The kinetic energy in Spherical coordinates is..
[tex]T=\frac{1}{2}m\left( \dot{\rho}^2 +\rho^2 \dot{\theta}^2+\rho^2 \dot{\phi}^2 sin^2\theta \right)[/tex]
Thus the three equations of motion are..
[tex]\frac{d}{dt} \frac{∂T}{∂ \dot{\rho}}-\frac{∂T}{∂\rho}=Q_k=F_{\rho}[/tex]
[tex]m \ddot{\rho}-m \rho \dot{\rho} \dot{\theta}^2-2 \rho \dot{\rho} \dot{\phi}^2sin^2 \theta=F{\rho}[/tex]
and..
[tex]\frac{d}{dt} \frac{∂T}{∂ \dot{\theta}}-\frac{∂T}{∂\theta}=Q_k= \rho F_{\theta}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\left( m \rho^2 \dot{\theta}^2 \right)-m \dot{\theta} \rho^2 \dot{\phi}^2sin \theta cos \theta[/tex]
[tex]2m \rho \dot{\theta} \dot{\rho}+m \rho^2 \ddot{\theta}-m \rho^2 \dot{\phi}^2sin\theta cos\theta[/tex]
and finally..
[tex]\frac{d}{dt} \frac{∂T}{∂ \dot{\phi}}-\frac{∂T}{∂\phi}=Q_k=F_{\phi}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\left( m \rho^2 \dot{\phi}^2 sin^2 \theta \right)[/tex]
[tex]2m \rho \dot{\rho} \dot{\phi}sin^2 \theta+m \rho^2 \ddot{\phi}sin^2 \theta +2m \rho^2 \dot{\phi}\dot{\theta}sin \theta cos \theta[/tex]

Would these be correct? The rest of the problem says to substitute [itex]\dot{\theta}[/itex] for [itex]\omega[/itex] and then find the corresponding centrifugal and Coriolis forces. I do not recall how I would recognize these terms. I know these are both fictitious forces that are only a product of mass times acceleration. Their form is more obvious is polar form though.. If anyone could help me I would very much appreciate it. :]
Thanks!
 
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man i hate not being able to edit some posts...

i said that because it does not look like that you differentiated in spherical coordinates
 
What do you mean? I started out in Spherical coordinates from the Kinetic energy didn't I? From there on out it was just the chain rule a bunch of times. :o
 

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