Laplace Transforms: Transfer Functions and Impulse

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The discussion revolves around Laplace transforms, specifically focusing on transfer functions and impulse responses within the context of a physics problem involving forces and functions. Participants are analyzing the relationships between impulse and step functions and their transformations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the equivalence of transfer functions and explore the implications of Laplace transforms for impulse and step functions. There are attempts to derive time-domain functions from their Laplace counterparts, with some questioning the validity of their transformations and the assumptions made regarding force functions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, seeking validation for their calculations and interpretations. Some have provided partial solutions and are requesting further clarification on specific steps, particularly regarding the transition from Laplace domain to time domain. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of a constant force function and its relevance to the overall problem.

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There are mentions of specific constraints regarding the force function and its representation, as well as potential typographical errors in the definitions of piecewise functions. Participants are also considering the physical significance of the values derived from their calculations.

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Homework Statement


I uploaded the question as a picture and attached it.

Homework Equations


Unit step function -
u_c (t) =<br /> \begin{cases}<br /> 1 &amp; \text{if } t \geq c \\<br /> 0 &amp; \text{if } t &lt; c<br /> \end{cases}

Impulse function -
δ(t) = \displaystyle\lim_{Δ\rightarrow 0} δ_Δ (t)

Multiplication Property for Impulse function -
f(t)⋅δ(t - t_d) = f(t_d)⋅δ(t - t_d)
*A function f(t) becomes a value f(t_d)*

The Attempt at a Solution



(a and b)

I have determined that both of the transfer functions are the same,

H(s) = V(s)/F_{p / w}(s) = {\frac{1}{75s + 0.0046}}

(c)

The Laplace transform of the impulse function is 1 so,

V(s) = {\frac{1}{75s + 0.0046}}

v(t) = {\frac{1}{75}} e^{{\frac{-0.0046}{75}}t}

(d)

The Laplace transform of the unit step function is 1/s so,

V(s) = {\frac{1}{s(75s + 0.0046)}}

v(t) = 217.391 - 217.391 e^{{\frac{-0.0046}{75}}t}

***Am I right up to this point?***

(e)

f_{wind} (t) =<br /> \begin{cases}<br /> 4.5 &amp; \text{if }1 \geq t &lt; 10 \\<br /> 0 &amp; \text{otherwise,} <br /> \end{cases}

Does that mean that from 1 -> 10 there is a constant force of only 4.5N? That just seems negligible compared to the force applied by the skaters pushes.

f(t) = f_{wind}(t) + 1160δ(t-4) + 935δ(t-6) + 708δ(t-7.8)

Not quite sure how to model this!
 

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ConnorM said:

Homework Statement


I uploaded the question as a picture and attached it.

Homework Equations


Unit step function -
u_c (t) =<br /> \begin{cases}<br /> 1 &amp; \text{if } t \geq c \\<br /> 0 &amp; \text{if } t &lt; c<br /> \end{cases}

Impulse function -
δ(t) = \displaystyle\lim_{Δ\rightarrow 0} δ_Δ (t)

Multiplication Property for Impulse function -
f(t)⋅δ(t - t_d) = f(t_d)⋅δ(t - t_d)
*A function f(t) becomes a value f(t_d)*

The Attempt at a Solution



(a and b)

I have determined that both of the transfer functions are the same,

H(s) = V(s)/F_{p / w}(s) = {\frac{1}{75s + 0.0046}}

(c)

The Laplace transform of the impulse function is 1 so,

V(s) = {\frac{1}{75s + 0.0046}}

v(t) = {\frac{1}{75}} e^{{\frac{-0.0046}{75}}t}

(d)

The Laplace transform of the unit step function is 1/s so,

V(s) = {\frac{1}{s(75s + 0.0046)}}

v(t) = 217.391 - 217.391 e^{{\frac{-0.0046}{75}}t}
Assuming units of m/sec, this seems way too large. Can you show what you did in going from V(s) to v(t)? There's a partial fractions decomposition involved.
ConnorM said:
***Am I right up to this point?***

(e)

f_{wind} (t) =<br /> \begin{cases}<br /> 4.5 &amp; \text{if }1 \geq t &lt; 10 \\<br /> 0 &amp; \text{otherwise,}<br /> \end{cases}
You have a typo: The first case restriction is ##1 \le t < 10##
ConnorM said:
Does that mean that from 1 -> 10 there is a constant force of only 4.5N? That just seems negligible compared to the force applied by the skaters pushes.

f(t) = f_{wind}(t) + 1160δ(t-4) + 935δ(t-6) + 708δ(t-7.8)

Not quite sure how to model this!
 
I can't write them out right now since I'm on my phone. I just checked them on wolfram alpha and it gave the same answer.
 
ConnorM said:

Homework Statement


I uploaded the question as a picture and attached it.

Homework Equations


Unit step function -
u_c (t) =<br /> \begin{cases}<br /> 1 &amp; \text{if } t \geq c \\<br /> 0 &amp; \text{if } t &lt; c<br /> \end{cases}

Impulse function -
δ(t) = \displaystyle\lim_{Δ\rightarrow 0} δ_Δ (t)

Multiplication Property for Impulse function -
f(t)⋅δ(t - t_d) = f(t_d)⋅δ(t - t_d)
*A function f(t) becomes a value f(t_d)*

The Attempt at a Solution



(a and b)

I have determined that both of the transfer functions are the same,

H(s) = V(s)/F_{p / w}(s) = {\frac{1}{75s + 0.0046}}

(c)

The Laplace transform of the impulse function is 1 so,

V(s) = {\frac{1}{75s + 0.0046}}

v(t) = {\frac{1}{75}} e^{{\frac{-0.0046}{75}}t}

(d)

The Laplace transform of the unit step function is 1/s so,

V(s) = {\frac{1}{s(75s + 0.0046)}}

v(t) = 217.391 - 217.391 e^{{\frac{-0.0046}{75}}t}

***Am I right up to this point?***

(e)

f_{wind} (t) =<br /> \begin{cases}<br /> 4.5 &amp; \text{if }1 \le t &lt; 10 \\<br /> 0 &amp; \text{otherwise,}<br /> \end{cases}

Does that mean that from 1 -> 10 there is a constant force of only 4.5N? That just seems negligible compared to the force applied by the skaters pushes.

f(t) = f_{wind}(t) + 1160δ(t-4) + 935δ(t-6) + 708δ(t-7.8)

Not quite sure how to model this!

Ok I have fixed the function, f_{wind}(t).

For,

V(s) = {\frac{1}{s(75s + 0.0046)}}

Partial Fraction Decomp.

V(s) = A/s + B/(75s + 0.0046)

1 = A(75s + 0.0046) + B(s)

subbing in s = 0,

A = 1/0.0046 = 217.391

subbing in s = -0.0046/75

1 = B(-0.0046/75)

B = -75/0.0046

V(s) = 217.391/s + (-75/0.0046)/(75s + 0.0046)

v(t) = 217.391 - 217.391e^{-0.0046/75}

Could someone help me with part 5e? I'm not sure how to plot this.
 
Here is what I have so far,

f(t) = 1160dirac(t-4) + 935dirac(t-6) + 708dirac(t-7.8) + 4.5(u(t-1) - u(t-10))
 

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