Laser fusion and science fiction

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The discussion revolves around the concept of laser fusion, particularly focusing on the potential role of catalysts, such as gold nanoparticles, in nuclear fusion processes. Participants explore the feasibility of achieving fusion at lower temperatures than the typical 100 million degrees Celsius required for deuterium-tritium (D-T) fusion, and they reference various fusion methods and theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether catalysts exist in nuclear fusion, specifically questioning if gold nanoparticles could facilitate D-T fusion at lower temperatures.
  • It is noted that gold-deuterium fusion would be endothermic and challenging due to the high coulomb barrier of the gold nucleus.
  • A method called fast ignition is mentioned, where a gold cone is used to trigger fusion with less laser energy, although it is clarified that this should not be termed catalysis by definition.
  • Concerns are raised about the fate of the gold cone during the fusion process, with speculation that it would likely be vaporized depending on the fusion fuel burned.
  • Friedwardt Winterberg's work on pulsed fusion is referenced, suggesting that current laser fusion approaches may be unworkable due to issues with optics and flash-back effects.
  • Participants discuss muon-catalyzed fusion, noting its challenges and the limitations of current technology in achieving practical results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using gold nanoparticles in fusion and the definitions of catalysis in this context. There is no consensus on whether the proposed methods can achieve fusion at lower temperatures or if they can be accurately described as catalysis.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of catalysis and the conditions under which fusion occurs. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the practical applications and limitations of the proposed fusion methods.

mohd_adam
I'm a science fiction writer, currently I write a novel related to laser fusion. As I know in chemistry, catalysis is the process in which the rate of a chemical reaction is either increased or decreased by means of a chemical substance known as a catalyst.

Are there catalysts in the nuclear fusion? ( for example gold nanoparticles )
In the laser fusion, D-T fuse at 100 million degrees C.

Could D-T with gold nanoparticles fuse at less than 100 million degrees C ?

Thanks
 
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Gold-deuterium fusion would be endothermic, and besides very difficult to achieve due to the high coulomb barrier of the gold nucleus (more protons).

Before they redid their page, ITER had a nice graph of fusion fuels' reactivity versus temperature, and it had "catalyzed D-D" as one of the fuels, but I do not know how one can "catalyze" ANY fusion (well, they call one method "muon catalyzed fusion" but that's currently unobtainium).

If talking about laser fusion, there is a method to reduce the laser energy use. HiPER uses fast ignition, which means that the fuel pellet is first compressed with lasers, normally, but it contains a small gold cone which allows another laser to fire to the center of the pellet, triggering the fusion reaction with less effort than just compression. That involves gold and "catalyzes" the fusion, so that might be something you're looking for.

Edit: so, if you want to maintain scientific accuracy in your writing, don't call the fast ignition method catalysis, because it is not catalysis by definition.
 
Nyme , first i thank you very much for your help.
about the small gold cone used in the fast ignition i want to know what will happen to that cold ?
 
No problem.

I'm assuming you meant "what will happen to that cone" instead of what will happen when it's cold...

Well, didn't read this from anywhere, but it will most certainly be vaporized, of course depending on the amount of fusion fuel burned. But at any commercial-scale reactor with pellet fusion energies reaching multiple gigajoules, it will be vaporized.

And no, I don't know how they recycle that gold.

By the way, if you need more information on the aspect, have a look at their website at
http://www.hiper-laser.org/index.asp

Edit: a clarification
 
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I already read the information in that website , but they didn't write anything about 'what will happen to the gold cone..
thanks
 
mohd_adam said:
I'm a science fiction writer, currently I write a novel related to laser fusion. As I know in chemistry, catalysis is the process in which the rate of a chemical reaction is either increased or decreased by means of a chemical substance known as a catalyst.

Are there catalysts in the nuclear fusion? ( for example gold nanoparticles )
In the laser fusion, D-T fuse at 100 million degrees C.

Could D-T with gold nanoparticles fuse at less than 100 million degrees C ?

Thanks

Hi

You should check out Friedwardt Winterberg's work on pulsed fusion. He thinks the current laser fusion approach is unworkable because the flash-back destroys the optics when the lasers are powerful enough to trigger fusion. His current fusion triggering designs use proton beams or one-shot explosion-driven argon lasers. The proton-beam system would be for a fixed power-plant, but the one-shot lasers are for a pulse-driven rocket.
 
mohd_adam said:
I'm a science fiction writer, currently I write a novel related to laser fusion. As I know in chemistry, catalysis is the process in which the rate of a chemical reaction is either increased or decreased by means of a chemical substance known as a catalyst.

Are there catalysts in the nuclear fusion? ( for example gold nanoparticles )
In the laser fusion, D-T fuse at 100 million degrees C.

Could D-T with gold nanoparticles fuse at less than 100 million degrees C ?

Thanks
In brief, no, and Nyme explained why.

In laser fusion, the objective is to heat the surface of a DT capsule, which is at cryogenic (solid hydrogen) temperatures. The laser light light heats an external layer which ablates. The ablation then cause the fuel capsule/target to impode or compress very rapidly. The rapid compression heats the fuel and increases the density to the conditions necessary for fusion.

Here is some information on the target capsules used in a proposed inertial confinement scheme.

https://lasers.llnl.gov/programs/nic/target_fabrication.php
https://lasers.llnl.gov/programs/nic/target_physics.php
https://lasers.llnl.gov/programs/nic/icf/how_icf_works.php
 
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Nyme said:
Gold-deuterium fusion would be endothermic, and besides very difficult to achieve due to the high coulomb barrier of the gold nucleus (more protons).

Before they redid their page, ITER had a nice graph of fusion fuels' reactivity versus temperature, and it had "catalyzed D-D" as one of the fuels, but I do not know how one can "catalyze" ANY fusion (well, they call one method "muon catalyzed fusion" but that's currently unobtainium).
(Muon catalyzed fusion is very obtainium, has been for decades, just not practium)
 
mheslep said:
(Muon catalyzed fusion is very obtainium, has been for decades, just not practium)

The chief problem is getting the muons to remain in combination for long enough to fuse, but not too long, else they decay before they can catalyse more reactions. I think the current record is about 100 fusions catalysed per muon which falls short of breakeven. A more efficient muon-generator might mean that's enough, but most researchers think they've hit the limits of the practical. But not everyone agrees, so maybe one day...
 

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