Leak Detection at High Temperatures: Need Help

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the challenges of leak detection in a high-temperature steel vessel used for combustion gases. Participants explore various methods and considerations for identifying leaks at elevated temperatures and pressures, particularly around 500 °F and 8 atm.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a spherical steel vessel with ports for diagnostics that experiences significant leaks at high temperatures, despite no leaks at room temperature.
  • The same participant notes the limitations of soapy water tests due to high temperatures and expresses concern about false positives from a rented helium leak detector based on thermal conductivity.
  • There is a suggestion to consider IR thermography as a potential leak detection method.
  • Another participant mentions the possibility of using soybean oil to visualize leaks, given its smoke point is suitable for the temperature range.
  • Additional references to various leak detection technologies and methods are made, although specifics are not detailed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches and suggestions for leak detection, but no consensus is reached on the best method or solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding effective techniques for high-temperature leak detection.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various design considerations that may contribute to the leaks, but these factors are not fully explored or agreed upon. The discussion includes references to different leak detection technologies, but the applicability and effectiveness of these methods at the specified temperatures and pressures are not established.

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I have a vessel (~2 liters) that is filled with gases for combustion. It is made of some sort of steel and has various ports drilled out for diagnostic instruments. The vessel is spherical and is made from 2 hemispheres with flanges that are bolted together. An o-ring helps to seal the vessel. At room temperature and at ~8 atm, I have virtually no leaks. However, when I preheat the steel vessel to ~500 °F I encounter significant leaks at the same pressure of ~8 atm.

I am aware that there are a number of design considerations that may be causing the leaks, but right now I need to find a way to verify where the leaks are by some means of detection. Soapy water tests are out of the question because of the temperature. I rented a helium leak detector, but since it is based on thermal conductivity, I believe I am getting a lot of false positives.

The next step up for leak detectors involves mass spec which is very substantial investment. Does anyone have any experience with leak detection at these temps and pressures? Are there any analogous 'high temp soap tests'?

I have honestly even considered experimenting with soybean oil (smoke point of 450 °F) to see if I can produce a visible leak. Any thoughts on this?

Thanks for reading. :smile:
 
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IR thermography perhaps?
 
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I have a vessel (~2 liters) that is filled with gases for combustion. It is made of some sort of steel and has various ports drilled out for diagnostic instruments. The vessel is spherical and is made from 2 hemispheres with flanges that are bolted together. An o-ring helps to seal the vessel. At room temperature and at ~8 atm, I have virtually no leaks. However, when I preheat the steel vessel to ~500 °F I encounter significant leaks at the same pressure of ~8 atm.

I am aware that there are a number of design considerations that may be causing the leaks, but right now I need to find a way to verify where the leaks are by some means of detection. Soapy water tests are out of the question because of the temperature. I rented a helium leak detector, but since it is based on thermal conductivity,http://www.ashisoft.com" I believe I am getting a lot of false positives.

The next step up for leak detectors involves mass spec which is very substantial investment. Does anyone have any experience with leak detection at these temps and pressures? Are there any analogous 'high temp soap tests'?

I have honestly even considered experimenting with soybean oil (smoke point of 450 °F) to see if I can produce a visible leak. Any thoughts on this?

Thanks for reading. :smile:
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