Least Action Principle Applied to Vector Field ##A_{\mu}##

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The discussion revolves around the application of the least action principle to a vector field ##A_{\mu}## with a specific Lagrangian involving the field strength tensor ##F_{\mu\nu}##. Participants are exploring the formulation of the action and the implications of including higher derivatives in the functional derivative.

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  • One participant presents a Lagrangian of the form ##L=Const.{\times}F^{\mu\nu}F_{\mu\nu}## and poses a question about the correct formulation of the variation of the action ##S##.
  • Another participant questions the role of the parameter ##\alpha## in the field strength tensor and suggests that the field strength could be expressed as ##F=dA##.
  • It is noted that higher derivatives can be included in the functional derivative, with a mention that using partial integrations results in sign changes for each higher order derivative.
  • A later reply clarifies that ##\alpha## represents a parameter related to quantum gravity effects, referencing a model of generalized uncertainty principle.

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Participants express differing views on the formulation of the action and the implications of including higher derivatives, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions and roles of parameters in the context of quantum gravity, which are not fully resolved.

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hello, everyone. When a vector field ##A_{\mu}## has the Lagrangian of the form as
##L=Const.{\times}F^{\mu\nu}F_{\mu\nu}##, where
F_{\mu\nu}=({\partial}_{\mu}-{\alpha}{\partial}^{\rho}{\partial}_{\rho}{\partial}_{\mu})A_{\nu}-({\partial}_{\nu}-{\alpha}{\partial}^{\rho}{\partial}_{\rho}{\partial}_{\nu})A_{\mu}. Now I will apply the least action principle to it. Which one of the following two choices is the right one?
{\delta}S=\frac{{\partial}S}{{\partial}A_{\mu}}{\delta}A_{\mu}+\frac{{\partial}S}{{\partial}({\partial}_{\mu}A_{\nu})}{\delta}({\partial}_{\mu}A_{\nu})=0,
or
{\delta}S=\frac{{\partial}S}{{\partial}A_{\mu}}{\delta}A_{\mu}+\frac{{\partial}S}{{\partial}({\partial}_{\mu}A_{\nu})}{\delta}({\partial}_{\mu}A_{\nu})+\frac{{\partial}S}{{\partial}({\partial}_{\mu}{\partial}_{\nu}{\partial}_{\rho}A_{\lambda})}{\delta}({\partial}_{\mu}{\partial}_{\nu}{\partial}_{\rho}A_{\lambda})=0.
 
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Which do you think and why?
 
What is that alpha in your field strength? I'd say F=dA.

You can include higher derivatives in your functional derivative; if you use partial integrations, you'll see that every higher order derivative swaps a sign.
 
haushofer said:
What is that alpha in your field strength? I'd say F=dA.

You can include higher derivatives in your functional derivative; if you use partial integrations, you'll see that every higher order derivative swaps a sign.
Thanks for your attention. I was reading a paper on a model of generalized uncertainty principle which originated from quantum gravity effect. ##\alpha## represents the parameter of quantum gravity effect.
 

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