Least time for boat to cross (theory)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the optimal direction for a boat to cross a river with a current in the least amount of time. The problem involves analyzing the effects of various angles of approach relative to the current and the shore.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of different directional choices (upstream, downstream, directly across) on the time taken to cross the river. Questions arise regarding the relationship between the boat's velocity and the river's current, particularly how these factors influence the resultant path and time.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants questioning the assumptions behind their choices and considering different reference frames (water vs. ground). Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of the boat's across rate, but no consensus has been reached on the optimal approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the effects of the river's current on the boat's trajectory and time to cross, with some indicating that certain options may be incorrect based on their reasoning. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and assumptions about the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


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To cross a river with a current (flowing downstream) in the least amount of time, a boat should point

a) directly at the opposite shore
b) somewhat upstream
c) somewhat downstream
d) in a direction that will take the boat directly across
e) downstream

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The Attempt at a Solution


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I am aware that the only thing that affects time is the speed of the boat. I know E is wrong as well as D. I believe B and C are the same in terms of going upstream/downstream doesn't affect time. So i believe the answer could possibly be A

 
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So do I - it is easy to get distracted by other things you imagine you want, like shortest distance, or getting where you want but all that matters is your across rate, no matter what your down or upstream rate is.
 
what would B and C affect? Does it only affect how far down the river you go?
 
a lone fishy said:
what would B and C affect? Does it only affect how far down the river you go?
Consider it in the reference frame of the water.
 
I would consider it in the reference frame of the ground. What ground effect does the river have?
 
a lone fishy said:
what would B and C affect? Does it only affect how far down the river you go?
Getting very warm ...
 
rude man said:
I would consider it in the reference frame of the ground. What ground effect does the river have?

Your outboard motor propels the boat through the water at a constant, given speed with respect to the water the boat is floating in---that is, relative to the rest-frame of the water. For a given velocity vector (vx,vy) in the water's rest frame (where x = up/downstream direction and y = across/back direction), what is the ky-component (Vy) of velocity relative to the ground? How would you maximize Vy, subject to sqrt(vx^2 + vy^2) =constant? [Note, vy and Vy are different symbols.]
 

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