B Limit of Focal Spot Size for Lensing EM Radiation Across Frequencies

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The discussion centers on the limitations of focusing electromagnetic (EM) radiation using lenses, particularly across different frequencies. It highlights that RF waves cannot be focused to a point, with the concept of "beam waist" being crucial in understanding this limitation. The Abbe diffraction limit is referenced, indicating that the minimum obtainable spot radius is determined by the wavelength of light. The conversation also touches on the Airy Disk, noting that while lenses can produce smaller airy disks than apertures, there are fundamental limits based on aperture size and wavelength. Ultimately, the relationship between beam waist and airy disk radius is explored, emphasizing the impact of diffraction on focusing capabilities.
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Did not know how to word this properly.

Looking for an equation to show the behaviour of how EM can be "lensed" as a function of wavelength/frequency.

ie RF waves can not be lensed/focussed to a spot.

what equation determines the minimum spot size a lens can focus EM radiation as a function of frequency?
 
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Is this what you are asking about? The Abbe diffraction limit of a microscope, which is r = λ/2.8. Shine a light thru the eyepiece and that is the minimum obtainable spot radius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction-limited_system
 
houlahound said:
what equation determines the minimum spot size a lens can focus EM radiation as a function of frequency?

I believe you're asking about the Airy Disk. Try the math in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airy_disk
 
thanks guys. this is precisely the physics I was looking for.

haven't read through it all in detail but am I right in thinking the spot size is purely a function of the hardware transforming the light?

in the airy pattern, which is what is caused by diffraction from a circular aperture, would that increase the beam diameter after the aperture ie in general the smaller the aperture will cause greater spreading ie more diffraction. so therefore, if I am thinking right, a smaller beam will be achieved by a transparent lens than an aperture via diffraction.

I am going to try link the beam waist formula to the airy disc radius, but not sure if I am messing up the wrong two concepts.
 
houlahound said:
in the airy pattern, which is what is caused by diffraction from a circular aperture, would that increase the beam diameter after the aperture ie in general the smaller the aperture will cause greater spreading ie more diffraction. so therefore, if I am thinking right, a smaller beam will be achieved by a transparent lens than an aperture via diffraction.

You're right in that a lens will make a smaller airy disk than an open aperture, but there's still a fundamental limit to how small the airy disk can be which is based on the size of the aperture and the wavelength of the incoming light/radiation. A larger aperture and/or smaller wavelength gives a smaller airy disk.
 
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