Line Driver and Oscillating Circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges faced when using a line driver, specifically the IR2110, to drive a series LC circuit for resonance experiments. Participants explore the effects of the line driver's low output impedance on resonance observation and the differences in behavior when using a function generator versus the line driver.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes difficulty in finding the resonance frequency of their LC circuit when driven by the line driver, observing an increase in inductor voltage followed by a sudden drop as frequency increases.
  • Another participant suggests that the low output impedance of the line driver may interfere with the resonance of the parallel resonant circuit, potentially destroying the resonance effect.
  • A participant clarifies that their circuit is a series LC circuit and requests further explanation of a referenced diagram by Bob S. related to resonance issues.
  • There is a suggestion to provide specific circuit details and component values to better analyze the problem, along with a recommendation to use a function generator in sinewave mode to sweep across expected resonance frequencies.
  • One participant explains that a line driver maintains a constant output voltage regardless of load, which may mask the expected changes in voltage at resonance.
  • Another participant mentions the limitations of using a square wave with the line driver and provides a suggestion for modifying the circuit to observe resonance more effectively.
  • A specific resonance frequency of approximately 20.2 kHz is proposed for the tuned circuit, along with a suggested circuit modification involving a Pi network to facilitate resonance observation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of the line driver's low output impedance on resonance observation, with some suggesting it disrupts resonance while others propose modifications to achieve resonance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to observe resonance in the circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific circuit configurations and component values, indicating that the discussion is contingent on these details. There are also mentions of the effects of square wave harmonics and the necessity of series resistance for resonance observation, which may not be universally applicable.

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So I have this line driver using an IR2110 to amplify a square function tuned for a specific frequency. Its used to cause oscillations in an LC circuit (pulsed at the same frequency, 1/root LC).

Experimentally though I can't find that resonance frequency. As I go above the theoretical resonance freuqency, Vinductor also increases 2-3kHz then it has a sudden fall. (I think this is because the Line Driver is not fit to go that much above its tuned frequency)

If I take this same circuit, attach a resistor onto it and pulse it using a function generator, there is a visible peak of V inductor...that's not visible when using the line driver in between.

What's going on here when I use the line driver?
 
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A line driver has a low output impedance and if you drive a parallel resonant circuit directly with it, this low impedance will become part of the circuit and destroy the resonance you are trying to observe.

See this link
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=321608
or look for "tank circuits" on the current PF page.
and scroll down to see the diagrams by Bob S.
They include ideal setups for observing resonance effects.
 
Its actually a series LC Circuit but I think I face the same problem.

Anyways, do you think you could explain Bob S's drawings, and how it relates to the issue I'm facing?
 
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Can you supply your exact circuit with component values?

As you are using a series tuned circuit, you should be able to put your function generator in sinewave mode and sweep it across the frequency you expect the circuit to be resonant at.

It will need some series resistance (as shown in Bob S's diagram, above the graph) to show the drop in impedance of the circuit at resonance. You can also observe the increase in voltage across the inductor or the capacitor at resonance.

A line driver has a sufficiently low output impedance to generate the same voltage regardless of load (within limits). So, you would not see any change in voltage despite an increase in current at resonance.

If your assignment is to use a square wave, you would be aware that square wave generators produce harmonics at odd multiples of the fundamental frequency. So, a square wave at 15 KHz will have output at 45 KHz as well as 15 KHz but these outputs are actually sinewaves. It is only the total waveform that appears as a square wave.
 
I would except the line driver is using the IR2110 High/Low Side Driver. I cannot input a sine waveform, only square. The output of this is also a square wave, which goes to a 0.2uF cap and ~310uH inductor.
 
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That tuned circuit should resonate at 20212 Hz.

If you have a square wave out, one way to drive the tuned circuit is to turn it into a Pi network.

You would need a capacitor of about 1 or 2 uF (not an electrolytic) across the line driver low side. Then the inductor from the LO output to the capacitor, then the capacitor to the common side of the line driver low side.

Watch the voltage across the capacitor with an oscilloscope. It should peak at about 20.2 KHz.
 

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