Line integral in a uniform force field

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I have had some trouble with Kleppner and Kollenkow's derivation of work in a uniform force field. As the attached image shows, all three integrals (with respect to dx, dy, dz) are evaluated as follows: $$\int_{x_a, y_a, z_a} ^ {x_b, y_b, z_b}$$ . I am not sure how to proceed with such limits.

Any help is more than welcome. Thanks!
 

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Welcome to PF Born :smile:

So the three integrals each calculate the contribution from each axis to the resultant force. I don't know why they put the limits like that, but you can see it like this: dx (i direction) must go from some x to another x right? In this case x_{b}-x_{a} and the same for he other directions.

Now (x,y,z) is just r

Hope that helps.
 
Thank you for the quick response. It does intuitively make sense to me in the way you've said it, yet it feels weird since I know that after my integrations I would get something that will look like this:

$$x(x_b, y_b, z_b) - x(x_a, y_a, z_a) \text{ (same with}\ y \text{ and}\ z \text{)}$$

$$ \text{How could I show (mathematically) that:}\ x(x_b, y_b, z_b)=x(x_b), x(x_a, y_a, z_a)=x(x_a), \text{ etc?}$$
 
Born said:
Thank you for the quick response. It does intuitively make sense to me in the way you've said it, yet it feels weird since I know that after my integrations I would get something that will look like this:

$$x(x_b, y_b, z_b) - x(x_a, y_a, z_a) \text{ (same with}\ y \text{ and}\ z \text{)}$$

Something like this actually, $$r_b(x_b, y_b, z_b) - r_a(x_a, y_a, z_a)$$

Born said:
$$ \text{How could I show (mathematically) that:}\ x(x_b, y_b, z_b)=x(x_b), x(x_a, y_a, z_a)=x(x_a), \text{ etc?}$$

I am afraid I don't get you here. Seems you got mixed up? see my above respond. Hopefully it will clear things up.
 
I got what you said, it just isn't satisfactory. There must be a reason why the limits were given thusly.
 
\int_{x_a, y_a, z_a}^{x_b, y_b, z_b} dzdydx
is simply shorthand for
\int_{x_a}^{x_b}\int_{y_a}^{y_b}\int_{z_a}^{z_b} dzdydx
 
It's not a volume integral as suggested in the previous posting but a line integral in a pretty awful notation. The correct way is to say we have a curve C, defined, e.g., parametrically as a function \vec{r}:[0,1] \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^3. Then the line integral of a vector field along the curve C is defined as a simple integral over the parameter:
\int_{C} \mathrm{d} \vec{r} \cdot \vec{V}(\vec{r}):=\int_0^1 \mathrm{d} t \; \frac{\mathrm{d} \vec{r}(t)}{\mathrm{d} t} \cdot V[\vec{r}(t)].
Now, sometimes the vector field is "conservative", i.e., the integral doesn't depend on the curve (perhaps restricted to cuves within a certain region of space) but only on the boundary points of the curve. Then you may write the integral in the sloppy way as in the scan of the book.

The specific form of the parametrization chosen is to first integrate from (x_a,y_a,z_a) along a straight line parallel to the x-axis to x_b,y_a,z_a and so on.

This is however, unnecessarily complicated. Since the force field is homogeneous in the example, i.e., \vec{F}(\vec{r})=\text{const} you can integrate along any path connecting the two points, because the line integral is path independent anywhere, because it's analytic everywhere and \vec{\nabla} \times \vec{F}=0 everywhere. Then according to the Poincare lemma, the line integral is path independent. So we can chose just a straight line connecting the points \vec{a} and [/itex]\vec{b}[/itex],
\vec{r}(t)=\vec{a} + t (\vec{b}-\vec{a}) ,\quad t \in [0,1].
This gives
W_{ba}=\int_0^1 \mathrm{d} t (\vec{b}-\vec{a}) \cdot \vec{F}=(\vec{b}-\vec{a}) \cdot \vec{F},
because \vec{F}=\text{const}.
 
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Thank you vanhees71! Now I believe I'm beginning to understand the reasoning behind the notation.

Does this mean that it's just notation as well when the integral is broken up (i.e. dr becomes dx, dy, and dz) and therefore each integral should be treated as a straight line through each of the component's endpoints?

So; $$\int_{x_a} ^ {x_b}\, dx$$
 
To stress it again: You should really use the definition of the line integral of a vector field as I've written down in my previous posting. The way the integral is done in the book is very misleading. It only works out right, because here you integrate over a constant force field!
 
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