Linear Algebra: Idemponent matrix

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The discussion revolves around the properties of idempotent matrices, specifically examining a given matrix A and determining if there exists a value of r that makes A idempotent, meaning A^2 = A. Participants explore the implications of this definition and how to derive the necessary conditions for r.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the definition of idempotent matrices and the requirement that A^2 must equal A. There are attempts to derive equations from the matrix multiplication and to find values of r that satisfy these equations. Questions arise about the approach to solving the equations and the implications of the determinant of an idempotent matrix.

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Several participants have engaged in deriving equations from the matrix and discussing potential values for r. Some values have been proposed, and there is an acknowledgment that not all proposed values satisfy the conditions. The conversation is ongoing, with participants asking clarifying questions and exploring related concepts.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available or the methods they can use. There is a focus on ensuring that all components of the matrices are equal for the idempotent condition to hold.

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In idemponent matrices:
Is there a value of r for which
(matrix) A= -1 -1
2 r

is idempotent? If so, what is the value of r and why.

I know that A^2=A, that's about all... How does one find r, if this is the only info given?

I have no idea how to approach this. Please help.
 
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What is an indemponent matrix?

Thanks
Matt
 
If A is an n x n matrix, then A is called idempotent if A^2=A
 
Sorry, can't help you with that. But thanks for letting me no what idempotent means.

Thanks
Matt
 
CFDFEAGURU said:
What is an indemponent matrix?

The simple definition is simply a matrix for which A^2=A.

Amy-Lee said:
In idemponent matrices:
Is there a value of r for which
(matrix) A= -1 -1
2 r

is idempotent? If so, what is the value of r and why.

I know that A^2=A, that's about all... How does one find r, if this is the only info given?

I have no idea how to approach this. Please help.
Well, if A=\begin{pmatrix}-1 & 1 \\ 2 &r \end{pmatrix}, what will A^2 be?...Setting A^2=A should give you 4 equations (one for each component of the matrices), is there a value of r that solves all 4 equations simultaneously?
 
A^2 = -1 -1
2 r

and -1 -1 = -1 -1
2 r 2 r ?
 
sorry for bad layout... still haven't figured out how to use advanced reply
 
Think about the determinant of an idempotent matrix.
 
Amy-Lee said:
A^2 = -1 -1
2 r

and -1 -1 = -1 -1
2 r 2 r ?

No,

A=\begin{pmatrix}-1 & -1 \\ 2 &r \end{pmatrix}\implies A^2=\begin{pmatrix}-1 & -1 \\ 2 &r \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}-1 & -1 \\ 2 &r \end{pmatrix}

Carry out the matrix multiplication.
 
  • #10
ok I get:
-1 1-r
-2+2r -2+r2
 
  • #11
Right, and for A to be idempotent, that must also be equal to the matrix A...so you want to find an r such that

\begin{pmatrix}-1 & 1-r \\ -2+2r &-2+r^2 \end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}-1 & -1 \\ 2 &r \end{pmatrix}
 
  • #12
ok thank you... do I now have to reduce it to row-echelon form, by using the Gaussian Elimination?
 
  • #13
You don't have to. If A^2= A then you must have -1= -1, -1= 1-r, -2+2r= 2 and -2+r^2= r. Are there values of r that satisfy all of those and, if so, what are they?
 
  • #14
r= 2; r=1/2; r=-1
 
  • #15
Amy-Lee said:
r= 2; r=1/2; r=-1

r=2 works, but the other two values do not satisfy all 4 equations. (For the two matrices to be equal, all 4 of there components must be equal)
 
  • #16
gabbagabbahey said:
r=2 works, but the other two values do not satisfy all 4 equations. (For the two matrices to be equal, all 4 of there components must be equal)

thank you so much for your help. One last question on the topic: is a square invertible idempotent matrix also the Identity matrix?
 
  • #17
Amy-Lee said:
thank you so much for your help. One last question on the topic: is a square invertible idempotent matrix also the Identity matrix?

Well, if A^2=A, what can you say about \detA?
 
  • #18
gabbagabbahey said:
Well, if A^2=A, what can you say about \detA?

I don't understand the last part of what you said
 
  • #19
Take the determinant of both sides od the equation A^2=A...what do you get?
 

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