LM324 squarewave oscillator adjust output frequency

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The discussion revolves around designing a square wave oscillator using the LM324 op-amp, with a focus on adjusting the output frequency to the range of 10 Hz. Participants explore the feasibility of achieving this frequency, the components involved, and alternative methods for generating oscillations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on how to adjust the frequency of a square wave oscillator based on the LM324 op-amp to achieve 10 Hz, noting an initial misunderstanding about the frequency range being in the GHz.
  • Another participant clarifies that the frequency of the oscillator is determined by the RC time constant and suggests using larger resistor and capacitor values to lower the frequency, or employing a counter to divide down from a higher frequency.
  • A participant mentions that the feedback resistor R1 should not exceed 200K due to the input bias current limitations of the op-amp.
  • Some participants inquire about the possibility of creating oscillations without using integrated circuits, prompting discussions about alternative methods such as a relaxation oscillator using a neon bulb.
  • Another participant shares a simple circuit design that uses only four components and a 1.5-volt battery to generate oscillations, highlighting its practical applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the best approach to achieve the desired frequency, as participants propose different methods and components. The discussion includes both support for using the LM324 and exploring alternative oscillation methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the specific values of components needed to achieve the desired frequency and the limitations of the LM324 in high-frequency applications. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with oscillator design.

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I have designed an opamp based on thfollowing square wave setup http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM124.pdf on page 11. I want to know what i would have to adjust to lower the frequency to the range of 10 hertz, it has a 5 volt input and the frequency range is at 10 Ghz I believe. any help would be appreciated.
 
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nheugel said:
I have designed an opamp based on thfollowing square wave setup http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM124.pdf on page 11. I want to know what i would have to adjust to lower the frequency to the range of 10 hertz, it has a 5 volt input and the frequency range is at 10 Ghz I believe. any help would be appreciated.

If you mean the example square wave oscillator on page 11 of that datasheet, it most certainly does not operate in the GHz range of frequencies. The frequency will be around the RC time constant of the feedback shown. You may be able to get down to 10Hz with large enough values of R and C, or you could use a counter to divide down to 10Hz from a higher oscillator frequency. You could use a CD4020, CD4040, or CD4060, for example.
 
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The R1 feedback resistor in the schematic on page 11 probably should not exceed about 200K, because the input bias current is <= 200nA.
 
can oscillation be created without the the lm ic s if yes why and how bob s
 
michachn said:
can oscillation be created without the the lm ic s if yes why and how
Build a relaxation oscillator using a Ne2 neon bulb. See

http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/relaxation_oscillator.htm

Bob S
 
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If you just want to avoid the use of an integrated circuit, the following circuit uses only 4 components and a 1.5 volt battery.

It makes a surprising level of output from a speaker and is handy as a doorbell or unattended desk alert.

Battery current is very low due to the speaker output being in the form of short pulses.

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4222062/NPN%20PNP%20OSC.PNG
 
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