Lower Impedance: Circuit Solutions to Help

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods to lower impedance in a circuit, particularly in relation to materials such as crystals and copper. Participants explore various circuit solutions and concepts related to impedance matching, voltage followers, and transformers, with a focus on both theoretical and practical applications in a simulation environment.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about lowering impedance affecting a certain material, suggesting a circuit solution.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the initial question, indicating a lack of clarity in the request.
  • A suggestion is made to connect a negative impedance generator in series as a potential solution.
  • A voltage follower is proposed as a circuit with high input impedance and low output impedance, which could be relevant to the discussion.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the purpose of lowering impedance, particularly in relation to crystals, which are noted to have high impedance for specific reasons.
  • Participants discuss the need for more current in a circuit with high voltage and low current, suggesting that lowering impedance could help achieve this.
  • Using a FET as a source follower and an op-amp as a voltage follower are mentioned as possible approaches.
  • One participant describes their simulation setup involving an AC power source and a full wave rectifier, seeking advice on counteracting high impedance to achieve higher current output.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of using a transformer to lower impedance, noting that it would also lower voltage output.
  • Discussion includes the importance of understanding the specific conditions and desired outcomes when selecting circuit components.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the output impedance of BJTs and their ability to drive loads despite high output impedance.
  • One participant expresses frustration, suggesting that the original poster may not fully understand their setup and is wasting others' time.
  • The concept of a constant current source is introduced, with a reminder of the conservation of energy principle in relation to voltage and current.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the original question. There is no consensus on the best approach to lowering impedance, and multiple competing views and suggestions remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of specific application details and conditions for effective circuit design. The discussion highlights the complexity of impedance matching and the need for a clear understanding of circuit behavior.

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how could i lower the impedance affecting a certain material. I am sure there is a circuit i can use to do this can anybody help??
 
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Daniel Floyd said:
how could i lower the impedance affecting a certain material. I am sure there is a circuit i can use to do this can anybody help??

I have no idea what you mean by lower the impedance affecting a certain material.
 
Oh come on, it's obvious. He means, uh, well I'm pretty sure he means... Nope, you're right. Makes no sense at all yet :-p
 
Connect a negative impedance generator in series of course.
 
A voltage follower is a 'circuit' that has a high input impedance and a low output impedance. Hope this is a constructive comment.
 
ok I am sorry guys i may not have made this verry clear. for instance crystals have a high impedance which causes low current can i either step this current up or do something to lower the impedance.
 
Use a FET as source follower. Use an op-amp as voltage follower.
 
Daniel Floyd said:
ok I am sorry guys i may not have made this verry clear. for instance crystals have a high impedance which causes low current can i either step this current up or do something to lower the impedance.

Sorry, but you are still not making sense (at least not to me). Why do you want to lower the apparent impedance of a crystal? The impedance of a crystal is high for a reason...
 
im not saying i want to lower the impedance of crystal i was just using it as an example mate. i bassiclly have like high voltage and low current of a circuit and i need to some how gain more current. one way was lowering the impedance of like copper (for example) which should higher the current or i was thinking like a transformer.
 
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Daniel Floyd said:
im not saying i want to lower the impedance of crystal i was just using it as an example mate. i bassiclly have like high voltage and low current of a circuit and i need to some how gain more current. one way was lowering the impedance of like copper (for example) which should higher the current or i was thinking like a transformer.

Can you say more about the application? I'm worried that you are not getting good answers because we have no idea what you are asking about.
 
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without full information it is useful to make an educated guess and 'we' can go from there.
It sounds to me (it did at the start) to be an impedance matching exercise.
Now that a crystal has been mentioned I am even more certain that it is a high impedance that needs connecting/matching to a low impedance. I don't know what the particular application is but now there is something to go on.
Voltage follower seems like a good start.
 
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ok guys there is no application other then a simulation I am just playing around learning things, I bassiclly have multi-sim with an AC power source which is being converted into DC power using the full wave rectifier circuit but i want to be able to put a low AC current into the circuit and have a high DC current out of the circuit to get such a low current i have added a high impedance value but i was wondering if i could create a circuit to counteract this impedance or weather i could like use a transformer to step up current rather then voltage?
... has this made it any more clear.
 
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Good luck Daniel, glad to have been of help.
 
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truesearch said:
Good luck Daniel, glad to have been of help.

thanks mate I am just building the voltage follower on my multi-sim now.
 
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Daniel Floyd said:
ok guys there is no application other then a simulation I am just playing around learning things, I bassiclly have multi-sim with an AC power source which is being converted into DC power using the full wave rectifier circuit but i want to be able to put a low AC current into the circuit and have a high DC current out of the circuit to get such a low current i have added a high impedance value but i was wondering if i could create a circuit to counteract this impedance or weather i could like use a transformer to step up current rather then voltage?
... has this made it any more clear.

You lower the impedance with a transformer, but you lower the voltage output also. You are not gaining anything.

If you have a high impedance output, you want to buffer it, use a voltage follower device. At that, this is a very general statement. You really have to have a solid idea of what kind of output signal, what output impedance it is, AND what do you want the output to be after the impedance transformation device. You are talking out of air right now and there is no one right answer here because nobody know what you are thinking.

Just because a device has high output impedance don't mean it cannot drive. The collector of a BJT has output impedance in the north of 10MΩ easily. It can drive plenty. It might be a wrong thing to do to put a voltage follower in this case.

Even if you are just doing simulation, you still need to know the condition and what do you want out of it, not just putting a voltage follower. I don't know Multi-sim, but someone here might know, attach your program so others can look at what you are trying to do. You learn a lot more by learning how to set the condition than just experiment on the device.
 
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What does "the collector of a BJT has output impedance in the north of 10MΩ easily" mean ?
 
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truesearch said:
What does "the collector of a BJT has output impedance in the north of 10MΩ easily" mean ?

If you use BJT in common base stage, you can get as high output impedance of about 10MΩ. You can get a least a few mega ohms with a bipolar transistor. It is a current device.
 
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has this made it any more clear.

Only that you appear to be just fooling around with something you don't understand and are thereby wasting everybody's time.

You should understand that an multisim AC power source will supply all the current required of it by the circuit attached. You have already noted that you have controlled this by adding a high impedance.

In fact you have created a constant current source, for that is what one is. A perfect current source has a theoretically infinite imepedance.

Having added a high impedance you are asking us how to counteract this?

You say you want a low current in but a high current out and have been told that you can indeed do this with a transformer (although you have no need to) but you must reduce th voltage to do this.
Not to reduce the voltage would be to contravene the law of conservation of energy since power = voltage times current.
 

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