Machine parts, conic clutch two teachers, two different results

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to calculating the power conveyed by a conic clutch, with two different teachers providing conflicting solutions. Participants are attempting to identify potential errors in the solutions provided by each teacher, focusing on the formulas and assumptions used in their calculations.

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  • Homework-related
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions a friend's teacher's solution and expresses uncertainty about which teacher's solution is correct, or if both are incorrect.
  • Another participant provides a formula for the effective moment of a conic clutch and calculates it, suggesting it aligns more closely with the friend's teacher's solution.
  • The same participant notes a discrepancy in the power calculation due to an extra factor of 2 in the torque transmission, questioning the assumptions behind this factor.
  • A later reply highlights a potential issue with the division by sin(15) in the calculations of the friend's teacher, suggesting it may not be correct.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which teacher's solution is correct. There are multiple competing views regarding the calculations and assumptions made by each teacher.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the formulas used and the assumptions behind the calculations, particularly concerning the effective torque and the factors involved in the power calculation.

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Machine parts, conic clutch...two teachers, two different results! :(

So a friend of mine who studies for the same test scanned me his teacher's solution to a problem they solved in class. We solved the same problem with a different teacher. I could really use your help to figure out who out of the two teachers went wrong (or maybe they both did?). This is important.


Homework Statement



The Question:
A conic clutch, shown in the drawing, rotates at 700 [RPM].
Calculate the power that can be conveyed (calculate by uniform surface stress).

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/hwhwscheme.jpg/




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Homework Equations



Since there is a conflict between the used formulas, I won't list them here. I will write the variables...

Rf = Friction's Radius
P = Power
n = rotational speed [RPM]
Fa = Required axial force for the conveyance of the moment
Dm = Needed average radius
α= Conical Angle
[P] = Max allowable surface contact stress
[τ]= Max allowable torsion

THE SOLUTIONS


My friend's teacher:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/267/hwhw1.jpg/

My teacher:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/hwhw2.jpg/
 
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What happened to your second scan?


Anyway, according to this PDF (google rules!):
http://www.freestudy.co.uk/dynamics/clutches.pdf
the formula for a conic cludge with constant pressure is:
$$M_{eff} = \frac {\pi p \mu}{12 \sin \alpha} ({D_o}^3 - {D_i}^3)$$
with ##D_i = D_o - 2b\sin \alpha##.

So:
$$M_{eff} = \frac {\pi \cdot 0.3 \cdot 0.3}{12 \sin 15^\circ} (300^3 - (300 - 2 \cdot 60 \cdot \sin 15^\circ)^3) = 687100.7 \text{ Nmm}$$
This appears to come close to your friend's teacher.



According to the same article:
$$P=\frac {2\pi n}{60} M_{eff}$$
So:
$$P=\frac {2\pi \cdot 700}{60} \cdot 687100.7 = 50367.1 \text{ W}$$
The difference with your friend's teacher is mostly the division by an extra factor 2, of which I do not know where it is coming from.
There seems to be some assumption that only half of the torque can actually be transmitted.


Now what did your teacher write again?
Your picture link appears to be broken.
 
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Printing this to show it to my teacher...see what he has to say!
 
Well... it remains curious that your teacher is effectively dividing by sin(15) two times.
That doesn't seem right.
 

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