Machine Parts - Screws fastening a board calculation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of forces and screw measurements for fastening a board to a wall, involving the analysis of reaction forces at joints and the external forces acting on beams connected to the board. The scope includes homework-related problem-solving and technical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Participants discuss the reaction forces at joints C and E, with some expressing confidence in the calculations while others suggest corrections regarding the direction of forces.
  • There is a debate about the external forces acting on the beams CD and DE, with some participants noting that the forces drawn may represent the board's exertion on the beams rather than the forces acting on the board itself.
  • Participants explore different cases for screw measurements, with references to specific cases provided by their teacher, leading to uncertainty about which case applies to their situation.
  • One participant expresses conflict over whether case 2 or case 6 is appropriate for their calculations, indicating a lack of consensus on this point.
  • There are discussions about the nature of forces acting on the board, including a downward force at point C and a horizontal force at point E, with some participants agreeing on the relevance of these forces to their chosen case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculations for reaction forces but disagree on the correct case for screw measurements, with multiple competing views remaining regarding the appropriate case to apply.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of the cases for screw measurements and the specific conditions under which the forces act on the board and beams.

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Homework Statement



Board AB is fixed to the wall through 6 screws as described in the drawing. Beams CD and DE are connected to the board by joints at points C, D, E. At point D acts a vertical force of 7500 [N].

Calculate:

A) The reaction forces at joints C, E.

B) Describe the external forces acting the beams CD, ED, on board AB.

C) Calculate the screws measurements for fastening the board.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4181/rivets.jpg

The Attempt at a Solution



I left clause C out, wondering if so far so good

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/851/fixxxxxx.jpg
 
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Brings back the old days!

The reaction forces at C and E looks good! :smile:I'm afraid your drawing for part (B) is not quite right yet.
You have left out the horizontal forces which you shouldn't.
Btw, the direction of one of those vertical forces is the wrong way.
 
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Looks familiar. :)
I'll check the numbers later.

The forces in part (B) look much better now... but they seem to be the forces that the board exerts on the beams rather than the forces that act on the board...
 
You're right, I forgot, it's the same with the principle of the frames. When you look at a different beam the forces are equal but opposite.

So, consider all the forces drawn on the board equal but opposite (I'll redraw it later :) ). Right?
 
Right! :)
 
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Hmm, case 2 shows 4 horizontal boards that are entwined.
Do you have 4 boards?
 
Our teacher picked case 2 for this other exercise: (which doesn't have 4 boards, only 2 as you can see)

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/8774/exercisen.jpg I added translation for the cases I posted in the post before.

1) Force P is parallel to the screws axis and passes through the center of gravity (C) of the connection

2)
a) Force P acts in 90 degrees to the axis of the screws and passes through the center of gravity of the conection

b) Connection with no space between screw and drilled hole

3)
a) Torsion moment M acts in the plane of the conection
b) Screws are in difference distances from center of connection C

4)
Force P acts 90 degrees to the axis of the screws (does not pass through center of gravity C)

5) Force P (or moment M) acts parallel to the axis of the screws (does not pass through center of connection C)

6) Force P acts 90 degrees to the axis of the screws (does not pass through center of gravity C).
 
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I checked your numbers... and they check out!
It looks like you still know how to do it!

And with the translation, case 2 does sound right!
Did you clean the scanner?
 
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My classmate claims it's case 6... I'm a bit conflicted myself. Any second thoughts?

Thanks for checking my numbers :)

And yep, it's all cleaned up and ready for mechano-scans
 
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The downward force on the board is at point C.
At this point the force is at 90 degrees to the screws and passes through the center of gravity of the board.

The main horizontal force is at point E, trying to pull the board from the wall.
But both cases include this force.

So I'm going to stick with you. ;)
Case 2 it is.
 
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Femme_physics said:
And yep, it's all cleaned up and ready for mechano-scans

Can it also scan or?
 
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I like Serena said:
Can it also scan or?

Heh ;)

The downward force on the board is at point C.
At this point the force is at 90 degrees to the screws and passes through the center of gravity of the board.

The main horizontal force is at point E, trying to pull the board from the wall.
But both cases include this force.

So I'm going to stick with you. ;)
Case 2 it is.

Thanks!
 

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