Magnetic field vector due to linear conductor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the intensity of the magnetic field vector due to a linear conductor carrying current I, situated at the boundary of three different ferromagnetic materials with varying permeabilities. Participants explore the application of generalized Ampere's law and the implications of boundary conditions on the magnetic field in different materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) proposes that the intensity of the magnetic field vector depends on the distance from the conductor and that the magnetic field vector B is constant at points equidistant from the conductor, leading to different values of H in different materials.
  • Some participants suggest that the final expression should not contain both H and B, indicating a need for simplification.
  • There is a suggestion that the expression for H1 can be simplified significantly, potentially starting from the expression for B.
  • The OP acknowledges the need to express B in the final formula and plans to do so by relating H1, H2, and H3 to B using their respective permeabilities.
  • Several participants express confusion about the OP's clarification in post 3, indicating a lack of clarity in the communication of ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to using generalized Ampere's law, but there is disagreement regarding the inclusion of H and B in the final expressions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct form of the final expression for the magnetic field intensity.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of communication among participants, particularly regarding the expressions for H and B. Some assumptions about the relationships between these variables and the parameters I, θ1, θ2, θ3, and r remain unaddressed.

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Homework Statement


Through linear conductor flows current I, with direction shown in the picture. Axis where conductor is placed is common edge of three areas with different ferromagnetic materials. They form angles θ1, θ2, θ31 + θ2 + θ3 = 2π). If space is filled with homogeneous materials with permeabilities μ1, μ2, μ3 respectively, find intensity of magnetic field vector for arbitrary point in the space due to linear conductor.

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Homework Equations


Generalized Ampere's law.

The Attempt at a Solution



This is my attempt:

Considering the direction of the current, it's obvious that intensity of magnetic field vector depends on the distance from the linear conductor. Since the vector B is normal to the boundary of two materials, from the boundary conditions we have that B is same for any point with same distance from the conductor regardless of the material, which means that H is different in different materials.

Using generalized Ampere's law we have:

H*dl=∫H*dl*cos(H,dl)= H11*r + H22*r + H33*r

∑I=IIf we express H2 and H3 as B/μ2 and B/μ3 respectively we get the expression for H1 and we can do similar thing for H2 and H3.

so,

H1=(I-B*r(θ22 + θ33))/θ1*r

Is this correct, and is this reasonable approach?
 
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You still have H1 and B, one of them has to disappear for the final result.

The approach looks fine so far.
 
mfb said:
You still have H1 and B, one of them has to disappear for the final result.

The approach looks fine so far.

I know what you mean, i forgot to express B in final formula, which i would do by expressing H1, H2 and H3 in first formula using B divided by corresponding permeability that way i could easily find B since it's the same for any point regardless of material.
 
Not sure what the OP said in post 3, but the expression for Hi (or Bi) should have nothing but I, θ1, θ2, θ3 and r in it. No H's or B's. If this is what the OP meant I have no additioal comment.
 
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rude man said:
Not sure what the OP said in post 3, but the expression for Hi (or Bi) should have nothing but I, θ1, θ2, θ3 and r in it. No H's or B's. If this is what the OP meant I have no additioal comment.

I wasn't clear enough, sorry, anyway, this is what i meant:

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cdummie said:
I wasn't clear enough, sorry, anyway, this is what i meant:

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Fine! I thought that's what you meant but wasn't sure.
 
The last expression for H1 can be simplified significantly (e.g. starting from the expression for B).
 
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mfb said:
The last expression for H1 can be simplified significantly (e.g. starting from the expression for B).

I know, i should get much "smaller" expression, i could do that, but the most important thing for me was to see if i solved it correctly.
 

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