Magnetism help - direction of charges

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In a scenario with two electrons, one at rest and the other moving westward, a magnetic field is applied eastward. The discussion centers on the forces acting on these electrons, concluding that the stationary electron experiences no force due to its velocity being zero, while the moving electron also experiences no force in the magnetic field. The participants highlight confusion over why both electrons are said to move when the forces on them are zero, suggesting that the only way for both to move would be if they exerted forces on each other, which is not considered in the problem. The lack of relative positioning and clarity in the problem's parameters adds to the confusion. Ultimately, the consensus is that the problem's wording leads to misleading conclusions about the electrons' movement.
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I've already taken the test but this is lingering in my head.

We have two electrons in an area of 0 magnetic field.

One electron is at rest while the other is moving westward. We then apply a magnetic field B moving eastward. What direction are the electrons moving?

Note: No direction is not an answer... All 5 possible choices stated that both electrons moved in a direction. The question is what DIRECTION are they moving.

Image for you, animated by me just in case you are better with an image :-P

http://xs72.xs.to/pics/06116/electronmotion.gif
 
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Start by answering this question: What force does the magnetic field exert on each electron?

(I assume that you can ignore the forces the electrons exert on each other.)
 
Right Hand Rule doesn't work LOL (Left Hand in this case)

It's kinda tricky.. I've been able to answer most of all other kinds of problems, but this one is tough.

Moving Electron has no force while I ain't sure about stationary.. :-X
 
Why does the moving electron experience no force? (You're correct, but why?)

Does a stationary charge experience a force in a magnetic field?

What's the rule for the magnetic force on a charge?
 
|F|=qVBsin@ where @ = 180 degrees.

A stationary charge couldn't experience a force if v=0 based on the equation...

Doc, I know all this.. What's wrong with this problem?
 
Da-Force said:
|F|=qVBsin@ where @ = 180 degrees.

A stationary charge couldn't experience a force if v=0 based on the equation...
Right. So you agree that the force on each charge is zero. So, what does Newton's 2nd law tell you?

Doc, I know all this.. What's wrong with this problem?
Nothing. You just have to get your mind around it. Hint: If the force is zero, how will the velocities change due to the presence of the magnetic field?
 
They don't change, but all the possible choices stated both particles moved.

That's what I can't get my mind over.
 
Can you recall the exact choices?

(The only way that both charges will move is if you are meant to include the force that they exert on each other: They repel each other.)
 
Umm..

Something like:

Stationary e-:
North
South
East
Up
Down

Moving e-:
East
West
Southward towards Earth
North
Down
 
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I'd have to say that the given answers sound bogus. (What was the relative position of the two charges?)
 
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They don't give you relative positions.

They explained that they put these two charges at a point in space where there is no magnetic field. Then they add a magnetic field X_X
 
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