Magnitude of the flux through a rectangle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnitude of electric flux through a rectangle situated in the xz-plane, with specific electric field vectors provided. Participants are exploring the implications of the rectangle's orientation and the characteristics of the electric field components.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning the reasoning behind the rectangle being aligned with the j unit vector direction and discussing the implications of the area element's orientation. There is also exploration of the dot product between the electric field and area vector, particularly regarding the treatment of negative components in the electric field.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of area elements and their normals, as well as the conventions used in calculating electric flux. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of the rectangle as a surface that does not enclose a volume, leading to a convention for determining flux.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the specific dimensions of the rectangle and the characteristics of the electric field vectors provided. There is an emphasis on understanding the conventions used in physics regarding flux calculations.

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Homework Statement
A 2.0 cm × 3.5 cm rectangle lies in the xz-plane.
What is the magnitude of the electric flux through the rectangle if E⃗ =(150ı^−240k^)N/C?
What is the magnitude of the electric flux through the rectangle if E⃗ =(150ı^−240ȷ^)N/C?
Relevant Equations
E.F. = E*A
I have attached the work to this problem and although it has different parameters than what I have listed in my post the basis to solving the problem is the same.

I am confused on why this rectangle in this problem is considered to b in the j unit vector direction. Is it because its face will face the j axis?
 

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quittingthecult said:
Homework Statement:: A 2.0 cm × 3.5 cm rectangle lies in the xz-plane.
What is the magnitude of the electric flux through the rectangle if E⃗ =(150ı^−240k^)N/C?
What is the magnitude of the electric flux through the rectangle if E⃗ =(150ı^−240ȷ^)N/C?
Relevant Equations:: E.F. = E*A

I have attached the work to this problem and although it has different parameters than what I have listed in my post the basis to solving the problem is the same.

I am confused on why this rectangle in this problem is considered to b in the j unit vector direction. Is it because its face will face the j axis?
The vector representing an area element is normal to the element, yes. If it is part of a surface enclosing a volume of interest then it point out of the volume.
Note that if the area element ##\vec {dS}## is translated along a vector element ##\vec {dr}## then the volume swept out is the dot product.
 
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haruspex said:
The vector representing an area element is normal to the element, yes. If it is part of a surface enclosing a volume of interest then it point out of the volume.
Note that if the area element ##\vec {dS}## is translated along a vector element ##\vec {dr}## then the volume swept out is the dot product.
So I know that If I dot product to different unit vectors I get 0, hence the part of the homework question I posted is 0.

The second part of the question, the electric field has a J component so I was able to multiply the area by the unit vector. My answer came out to be .168 N/C which is correct.

But I was wondering why do we omit the negative in the electric fields J component?
 
quittingthecult said:
But I was wondering why do we omit the negative in the electric fields J component?
Because a rectangle is a surface that encloses no volume, therefore the "outward normal" cannot be defined. In such cases, one takes the positive value for the flux by convention.
 

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