Markov Chains and absorption probabilites

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving Markov chains and absorption probabilities related to a single-celled organism containing particles of two types, A and B. The specific case under consideration is when N equals 3, and participants are tasked with finding the absorption probabilities and expected times to absorption.

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  • Participants discuss calculating the transition matrix and the probabilities of moving between states based on the number of particles of type A. There are attempts to understand the implications of the hypergeometric distribution in this context.

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Some participants have made progress in calculating probabilities for certain states, while others express confusion about the transition matrix and the probabilities associated with moving between states. There is a mix of understanding and uncertainty, with some participants offering guidance on how to approach the problem step-by-step.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the amount of direct assistance they can receive. There are discussions about the need to consider the outcomes of random selections from the population of particles, as well as the implications of symmetry in the transition probabilities.

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Could someone please help me with this question?

A single-celled organism contains N particles, some of which are of type A, the others of
type B . The cell is said to be in state i where 0<=i<=N if it contains exactly i particles
of type A. Daughter cells are formed by cell division, but rst each particle replicates itself;
the daughter cell inherits N particles chosen at random from the 2i particles of type A
and 2N-2i of type B in the parent cell.

Find the absorption probabilities and expected times to absorption for the case N = 3.


I so far have that the absorbing states are i=0, i=3 but have no idea where to go from there
 
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For N=3, you can calculate the transition matrix manually. Many entries are 0, and some others follow from symmetry, so you just need 2 interesting entries.
 
how do i calculate the entries though, that's where I'm stuck at the moment, i know of course the lines for starting in state 0 and 3, but have no clue about 1 or 2, once i know that the rest of the question becomes fairly trivial, could you push me in the right direction?
 
i=1 leads to AABBBB in the cell before splitting. If you randomly pick 3 of them, what is the probability of getting 0 (,1,2,3) times A?
 
oh is that standard binomial? so probability of going from state 1 to 0 would be (2/3)^3 which is 8/27 then do the same for the other states? or am i missing something?
 
i really don't understand the probabilities of getting to the other states, do i not need to also consider what the other cell will contain or is that irrelevant?
 
I think i finally get it, so probability of 0 A's is equal to
(2/3)*(3/5)*(1/2) which is the probability of selecting a B each time
Then follow the same method for 1 A taking into account whether you chose the A first, second or third? I hope that's right
 
That is correct.
 
Thanks for the help
 
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I also have difficulty in this question.I have calculated that the probability of getting 0 'a's is 1/5...probability of getting 1 'a' is 3/5 and probability of getting 2 'a' is 1/5. What is the transition matrix and what are the absorption probabilities?
thank you
 
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macca1994 said:
I think i finally get it, so probability of 0 A's is equal to
(2/3)*(3/5)*(1/2) which is the probability of selecting a B each time
Then follow the same method for 1 A taking into account whether you chose the A first, second or third? I hope that's right

If you start with AABBBB and pick three at random, you are looking at the "hypergeometric distribution", which is the probability for choosing k of type A from a population of 2A and 4B, when you choose three altogether. See, eg., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergeometric_distribution or http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HypergeometricDistribution.html .
 
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thank you..i have already found the probabilities but how to find the transition matrix please?
 
  • #13
Viper7593 said:
thank you..i have already found the probabilities but how to find the transition matrix please?

Work it out for yourself. If you start in state i = 1, what are the possible next states you can reach in one step? What are the probabilities of going to those various states in one step? Once you have answered those questions you will have worked out what is the i = 1 row of the transition matrix. You get the other rows in a similar way. There are no shortcuts; you have to sit down and do it all, step-by-step; and you will only learn how by doing it yourself.
 

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