Math 30 pure geometric series

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a pendulum's swing lengths, modeled as a geometric series. The original poster seeks clarification on using formulas to determine the lengths of the arc after multiple swings and to find when the swing length first drops below one foot.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use the formula for the sum of a geometric series to find the total length after a specified number of swings and questions how to apply it for individual swing lengths.
  • Some participants suggest using the formula for the nth term of a geometric series to find specific swing lengths and question the original poster's interpretation of the problem.
  • Others propose using logarithmic methods to determine when the swing length falls below one foot.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly distinguishing between the total distance swung and the length of individual swings. Guidance has been provided on the appropriate formulas to use for different parts of the problem, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's approach.

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The original poster's attempts involve specific numerical values and formulas, but there is some confusion regarding the application of these formulas to different parts of the problem. The discussion includes clarifications on the distinction between total distance and individual swing lengths.

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helo this is a homework problem i got in math 30 pure
i got an answer but i would like to know how to get it by using a formula?

The exercise gose like this:
Initially, a pendulum swings through an arc of 2feet. On each successive swing,the length of the arc is 0.9 of the previous length.

a. Determine the length of the arc after 10 swings

i did this to find the answer:
using the formula Sn= a((r^n)-1)/r-1 were
Sn=?
a=2
r=0.9
n=10

Sn=2((0.9^10)-1)/0.9-1
Sn= 13.03 feet.

the aswer will be 13.03 feet

B. On which swing is the length of the arc first less than 1 foot?

I got that it was on the 7th swing were it is 0.9565938. but i got it by multipliying the 2feet by 0.9 and then its answer x 0.9 egain and so on ...until it give me an answer lower than 1...

how can i get this by using a formula(which formula should i use) ??

C. After the 15 swings,Determine the total length that the pendulum will have swung.

using the same formula as a I can get this answer but rather than using n=10 it will be n=15
right??

thanks in advance for ur help.:smile:
 
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a. You have used the formula for the sum of a GP, where you should only use the formula to find the 11th term. The first term 'a' is given, and 'r' too.

b. Use the same formula for the nth term. Find n such that [tex]t_{n-1} > 1[/tex], but [tex]t_{n} < 1.[/tex]

c. This is where you use the formula for the sum Sn.
 
A. Think about it for a second:
If each successive swing is less than the one prior, then how could the 10th swing be 11 feet more than the 1st?
Looks to me like you've got the total sum of the ten swings, not the length of the 10th.


B. We know that the 1st swing is 2 foot. Each successive swing is 0.9 less.
Therefore, the arc on the 5th swing, for eg, is 2*0.9^5 = 1.18 foot.
For this problem, you're given everything but the swing number.
ie.
2*0.9^x = 1 foot.

From there, it's a matter of using logs to solve. But remember to round the answer, as it does ask which swing!
 
The formula for the nth term of a geometric series is arn-1 where a is the first term and r is the common factor. In your case, a= 2, r= 0.9. That is, of course, just multiplying by the common factor the correct number of times as you did.

As has been pointed out, the first question asks for the length of the 10 the swing, not the total distance the pendulum has swung. That's just 2(0.9)9.
For (b) you have to solve 2(0.9)n< 1 which, as Dr. Zoidburg said, is just solving 2(0.9)n= 1 and rounding up.
(c) does as for the total distance swung so you have the right formula for that.
 

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