Math recommended to study physics

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The discussion centers around the mathematical prerequisites necessary for studying physics, particularly in relation to specific textbooks. Participants explore the extent of calculus and other mathematical knowledge required to effectively engage with physics literature.

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  • One participant inquires about the level of calculus and math needed to start studying physics, specifically referencing certain textbooks.
  • Another participant cites the preface of a textbook indicating that a basic understanding of calculus, including differentiation and integration, is necessary for students.
  • A further contribution mentions that while vector calculus is introduced in one of the textbooks, prior knowledge or concurrent study of vector calculus may be beneficial for students.
  • One participant recommends a resource created by Gerard 't Hooft that discusses relevant mathematics for self-study in physics, suggesting familiarity with single variable calculus, coordinate geometry, infinite series, basic matrix algebra, and complex numbers.
  • Another participant emphasizes that a working knowledge of calculus 1 and 2, including Taylor series, is satisfactory for gaining insights from the recommended textbooks, but cautions against starting without any physics background.
  • There is mention of alternative resources for beginners, including a specific edition of a textbook that is affordable and accessible.
  • Participants agree that while the recommended textbooks are valuable, they may require a certain level of mathematical understanding to fully benefit from them.

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Participants generally agree that a foundational understanding of calculus is important for studying physics, but there is no consensus on the exact level of math required or the best resources for beginners. Multiple views on the necessity of prior knowledge in vector calculus and the suitability of different textbooks are present.

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Some participants note that the discussion is dependent on individual learning styles and prior exposure to physics and mathematics, which may affect the perceived adequacy of mathematical preparation.

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From the preface to the first edition of K&K:
Our book is written primarily for students who come to the course knowing some calculus, enough to differentiate and integrate simple functions.
I don't have Purcell, but from the very first Amazon user review, written by a frequent poster here on PF, who teaches at the college level:
Although the necessary tools of vector calculus are introduced from scratch, I doubt that most students would be able to get up to speed unless they had already had vector calculus or were at least taking it concurrently.
 
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You may find this useful: http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~gadda001/goodtheorist/index.html

It's a site made by Nobel Prize in Physics laureate Gerard 't Hooft to help people self study physics, and it contains lots of links. For your case it also has a discussion of the relevant mathematics you should know.

Generally speaking to get started you need a good grasp of the computational aspects of single variable calculus and relevant coordinate geometry, and ideally familiarity with infinite series, basic matrix algebra, and complex numbers.

The topics in the Schaum's Outline of Advanced Mathematics for Scientists and Engineers are a decent indicator of the topics commonly encountered from a pretty basic level to an intermediate-advanced undergraduate level.
 
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K&K is a good book. If you want the full benefit of all the little insightful nuggets a working knowledge of a typical calculus 1&2 series (Taylor series) will be satisfactory. Less is certainly doable though. That said, I wouldn't advocate it to someone who's never seen physics at all before or has difficulty applying math to physical problems. In that case, online resources are probably the best place to start self-study. A R&H&C 4th edition can also be had for like 20 bucks, and is another good place to start, if you prefer paper format and don't want to print online texts. This is all assuming you've never seen physics before.

Purcell is also a good book, and like jtbell mentions requires some study in vector calculus to glean the most from it.

Another good thing is the price point, both texts are cheapish compared to new editions of other physics textbooks.

If you want to study calculus as well concurrently, Anton has a decent book, which can be had for about 5 dollars on amazon. Some people don't like, but it's a good everyman's book in my opinion. (Edit, never mind, looked it up on amazon and it's now about 30 dollars for a used copy. Which is surprising, not sure why it went up.)
 
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