Mathematical methods of physics problem

In summary: Can someone please help me? Thanks!In summary, Ray is trying to find the equation for a function that takes in a negative x input and produces a positive output, but he is having trouble with the Hermite polynomials and the Rodrigues formula.
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Homework Statement



Here's the problem. Verify the operator identity
x - d/dx = -exp (-x^2 / 2) d /dx exp (-x^2 / 2)
Can someone please help me? Thanks :)

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I would apply both sides of the equation to a function [itex]f(x)[/itex] and compare the results.

I sense the integrating factor method...
 
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ok.thanks for help :)
 
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This seems wrong. You have the same factor exp(-x^2/2) both outside and inside the d/dx. The result (when applied to f(x)) will have a factor exp(-x^2) on the right, but not on the left. I think one of the factors on the right should be exp(+x^2/2), so that the two "exp's" finally cancel.

RGV
 
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As I said Ray, apply them both to a function f to find:
[tex]
xf-\frac{df}{dx}=g(x),\quad e^{-x^{2}/2}\frac{df}{dx} \left( e^{-x^{2}/2}f\right) =g(x)
[/tex]
Both are g(x) as when applied to f they should give the same thing. Use the integrating factor [itex]e^{-x^{2}/2}[/itex] and treat it as an ODE.
 
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thank you both for helping :)
 
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I assume that -exp (-x^2 / 2) d /dx exp (-x^2 / 2) is to be interpreted as an operator that applies to a function f(x), giving -exp(-x^2/2)*(d/dx)[exp(-x^2/2)*f(x)] = x*exp(-x^2)*f(x) - exp(-x^2)*df(x)/dx = exp(-x^2)*[x - d/dx] f(x). The exp(-x^2) arises from exp(-x^2/2)*exp(-x^2/2). Where is my error?

On the other hand (as I suggested before), -exp(+x^2/2) d/dx exp(-x^2/2) applied to f(x) does, indeed, give x*f(x) - df(x)/dx, because we get cancellation: exp(x^2/2)*exp(-x^2/2) = 1.

RGV
 
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let's check this, take the first equation, the integrating factor for this is [itex]-e^{-x^{2}/2}[/itex] and the equation becomes:
[tex]
\frac{d}{dx}\left( -e^{-x^{2}/2}f(x) \right) =-e^{-x^{2}/2}g(x)
[/tex]
Then to isolate g(x), multiply by [itex]-e^{x^{2}/2}[/itex] to get:
[tex]
-e^{x^{2}/2} \frac{d}{dx}\left( -e^{-x^{2}/2}f(x) \right) =g(x)
[/tex]
So there is a difference in signs as Ray said.
 
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The problem is related to the Hermite polynomials and operators of creation and annihilation. The creation operator:
[itex] a^{\dagger}\equiv \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(x- \frac{d}{dx}\right)[/itex]
I played with the Rodrigues formula for Hermite poyinomials (for n=1?):
[itex]H_n (x)=(-1)^n e^{x^2} \frac{d^n}{dx^n}e^{-x^2}[/itex]
and
[itex] \psi_n(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2^n n!\sqrt{\pi}}}e^{-\frac{x^2}{2}}H_n(x)[/itex]
but run into some problems.
 
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