Max Dist Frame Moves Down from Initial: 15m

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The problem involves a 0.150-kg frame suspended from a coil spring that stretches 0.050 m when a 0.200-kg lump of putty is dropped onto it from a height of 30.0 cm. The objective is to determine the maximum distance the frame moves downward from its initial position.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the spring constant and the forces involved. There is an exploration of using conservation of energy to find the distance the spring compresses when the putty impacts the frame.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the calculations, particularly regarding the force exerted by the putty and the application of energy conservation principles. Multiple interpretations of the problem and approaches to the solution are being explored.

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There is a noted discrepancy in the original poster's calculation of the distance the frame moves downward, with some participants questioning the assumptions made regarding the forces and energy involved in the scenario.

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A 0.150-kg frame, when suspended from a coil spring, stretches the spring 0.050 m. A 0.200-kg lump of putty is dropped from rest onto the frame from a height of 30.0 cm.

Find the maximum distance the frame moves downward from its initial position in meters.




First I found the spring constant, k, which is given by F = -kx.

F = -kx
k = -F/x = -(0.150kg *9.8 m/s2)/(0.050m) = 29.4 N/m

Next, I found the force that the lump of putty makes on the frame. The force is given by F = ma. The mass of the putty, 0.200kg, and the acceleration which is due to gravity, -9.8m/s2.

F = ma = 0.200kg * -9.8m/s2 = 1.96 N

Now the spring constant, k (29.4N/m), and the force of the putty, 1.96N, so I finally solve for the distance the frame moves.

F = -kx
x = -k/F = -(29.4N/m)/(1.96N) = -15m

It is negative, because it moves in the -x direction.

So, the frame moves 15m downwards is what I get but my program says it is wrong. Can someone please help me?
 
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This part looks OK:

First I found the spring constant, k, which is given by F = -kx.

F = -kx
k = -F/x = -(0.150kg *9.8 m/s2)/(0.050m) = 29.4 N/m

For the next part, the 1.96 N is not the force that the putty exerts on the frame, since the putty was released 0.3 m above the frame. You can consider conservation of energy to get the distance the spring will go to bring the putty to a stop.
 
Ok. so how about:

1/2mv^2= 1/2 kx^2

F= - k x
where F= mg = (0.150-) (9.80m/s2)
F = 1.47 N
1.47 N= -k ( - 0.050 )
k = 1.47N/0.050m
k = 29.4N/m
then:
v22 = v12 - 2gh, where v1 = 0 and h =- 30 cm = - 0.30m
v22 = - 2(9.80m/s2)(- 0.30m)
v22 = 5.88
v2 = 2.425 m/s
Now, plugging these values in I get
mv2 = k x2
x2 = mv2/k = (0.200)(5.88 m2/s2)/(29.4N/m)
x2 = 0.04
x = 0.2 m

So the maximum distance is:
X = 0.05 m + 0.20 m
X = 0.25 m

Is this right?
 
Looks OK to me.
 

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