Maximum modulation factor of a two tone signal

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum modulation factor of a two-tone signal in the context of amplitude modulation. Participants explore different methods for calculating this factor and clarify the distinction between maximum modulation factor and maximum amplitude of the modulating signal.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about differentiating a two-tone signal and equating it to zero to find the modulation factor, noting the presence of unknown variables.
  • Another participant asserts that the maximum modulation factor for traditional amplitude modulation should be 1, indicating that values greater than 1 lead to distortion.
  • A subsequent participant clarifies that they are actually seeking the maximum amplitude of the modulating signal rather than the modulation factor.
  • Another participant agrees with this clarification and outlines the differentiation process, suggesting that the next step involves solving for when the sine functions equal zero.
  • Further elaboration is provided on finding the values of ωt when the amplitude of the modulating signal is at its maximum, leading to potential values for V.
  • One participant concludes that the maximum amplitude of the modulating signal must equal the carrier amplitude, resulting in specific possible values for V, while noting that one of the values is invalid.
  • A later reply indicates satisfaction with the provided information, confirming it aligns with a plot they created.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to clarify the distinction between maximum modulation factor and maximum amplitude of the modulating signal. However, there are differing views on how to approach the calculations and the implications of modulation factors exceeding 1.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of their calculations, particularly concerning the conditions under which the modulation factor is valid and the assumptions made about the amplitudes involved.

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Homework Statement
Finding the maximum modulation factor for a two tone signal that can be employed without over modulation occurring
Relevant Equations
(Mt) = sqrt(m1^2+m2^2)
I'm stuck on this because v is a 2 tone signal, so it's not as simple as Am/Ac. The teacher said I will need to differentiate it and equate it to zero, which I thought made sense. Differentiating v gives me: [- mwsin(wt) - mwsin(2w*t)], so there's still unknown variables. I don't know how I'm supposed to equate that to zero and find m when there are still variables that will not cancel.

I have seen another (looks easier) method where the Total Modulation Factor (Mt) = sqrt(m1^2+m2^2), where m1 = Am1/Ac and m2 = Am2/Ac. It does make sense, but I've spent a long time looking for where this, or something similar, is written down and haven't found anything so far.

Could anyone provide some help or point me towards some guidance please?

Thanks
 

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As far as I know, the maximum modulation factor of Traditional Amplitude Modulation should be 1. When the modulation factor >1, the transmitted wave will be distorted, so that the signal wave cannot be exactly reproduced. This is independent of whether the modulating signal is is single tone or multi-tone. So I was wondering if you are sure you are looking for the maximum modulation factor and not the maximum amplitude of the modulating signal.
 
I don't think I worded the post very well. I am looking for the maximum amplitude of the modulating signal (v).
 
I agree that the following question is inappropriate, what we are really asking for is the maximum amplitude of the modulating signal.
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So all we have to do is differentiate this equation, which you've already done.
$$ \frac {dv}{dt} = -V\omega~sin(\omega t)-V\omega~sin(2\omega t)$$
The next step is to find what ## \omega t ## is when it is equal zero, that is to say we need to solve the following equation.
$$ sin(\omega t)+sin(2\omega t)=0$$
Note that this equation has three solutions. :smile:
 
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We are actually looking for what ##~\omega t~## is when the amplitude of the modulating signal v is maximum, then the value of ##~V~## can also be determined accordingly.

$$sin(\omega t)+sin(2\omega t)=0~~~\rightarrow~~~sin(\omega t)+2sin(\omega t)cos(\omega t)=0~~~~ \rightarrow~~~~sin(\omega t)\left( 1+2cos(\omega t) \right)=0$$
$$ sin(\omega t)=0~~ \text {when} ~~ \omega t =0~~ \text{or}~~ \pi ~~~~~~\text{and}~~~~~~1+2cos(\omega t)=0~~\text{when}~~\omega t = 2.094$$
Because the maximum amplitude of the modulating signal must be equal to the amplitude of the carrier which has been set to 1V, then the maximum value of ##~V~## seem to have the following possibilities.

$$\mathbf{v}= -1=Vcos(\omega t)+\frac{V}{2}cos(2\omega t)~~~~~\rightarrow ~~~~ V=\frac {-2} {2cos(\omega t)+cos(2\omega t)} = ~-\frac {2}{3}, ~ 2~~~\text{or}~~1.33 $$
But the value of ##2## is actually invalid, so in the end only ##~-\frac{2}{3}~## and ##~1.33~## are really applicable.
 
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Thanks, that's really helpful. Also matches with the plot I've made.
 
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