Maximum torque for current loop

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The problem involves a current loop positioned in relation to a uniform magnetic field, with the goal of determining when the torque on the loop is maximized. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the relationship between the orientation of the loop and the resulting torque, particularly questioning why maximum torque is indicated for positions where the loop is parallel to the magnetic field.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to reconcile the torque equation with the physical setup, questioning the implications of the loop's orientation on torque. Some participants suggest using the magnetic dipole concept and explore the cross product of vectors to explain torque behavior in different orientations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the relationship between the loop's orientation and torque, with some providing alternative perspectives on the problem. There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and assumptions related to torque and magnetic fields, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the angle between the normal to the coil and the magnetic field direction is critical to understanding torque, and there is a discussion about the implications of different viewpoints on the same configurations.

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Homework Statement


A current loops is oriented in three different positions relative to a uniform magnetic field. In position 1, the plane of the loop is perpendicular to the field lines. In position 2 and 3, the plane of the loop is parallel to the field as shown. The torque on the loop is maximum in:

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Homework Equations



Τ = NiABsinΦ

The Attempt at a Solution



Th equation states sin(pi/2) is when torque will be maximum, but the answer states that figures 2 and 3 are when the torque on the loop is maximum. If the plane of the loop is parallel to the field, wouldn't that mean torque will be 0?

I need clarification on why figures 2 and 3 are the answer, and not figure 1.
 
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You can use the concept of a magnetic dipole here and then apply the formula τ=MxB where M is the dipole vector and B the magnetic field vector in which the loop is kept.
Imagine current flowing in loop of figure 1 and curl your right hand fingers in the current's direction, then your thumb(M vector) will be pointing in the direction of magnetic field(B vector) shown in the same figure. Hence B vector and M vector would be parallel (or anti-parallel if current's direction taken is opposite). Thus their cross product would be zero. τ=MBsin(0°)=0

In case you want to see the torque acting without using the concept of a magnetic dipole, you can do this:
Imagine clockwise current flowing in figure 2. The left edge will have a current upwards and B at that point is rightward. Thus F=i(l X B)
would give force on left edge to be acting into the plane of the image(away from viewer). Whereas for the right edge, it will be out of the plane of the image(towards viewer). Thus, it will be like rotating a cardboard piece with your hands. Hence, Torque will be maximum in figure 2.
 
Phi is the angle between the normal to the plane of the coil and the direction of the magnetic field.
Curl the fingers of your right hand around the coil in the direction of the current.
Your thumb then points in the direction of the normal.
 
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2 and 3 look like the same thing from different viewpoints.
Anyway, F = i L x B gives the answer.
 

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