Maxwellian velocity distribution vs. speed distribution

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the Maxwellian velocity distribution and the speed distribution in three-dimensional space. Participants explore the mathematical forms of both distributions and the implications of their differences, particularly focusing on the additional factor of \(v^2\) in the speed distribution. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Some participants describe the Maxwellian velocity distribution and its extension to three dimensions, noting that it results in an exponential form dependent on the squared velocity.
  • Others point out that the speed distribution includes an additional \(v^2\) term, leading to questions about the equivalence of the two distributions despite their logical similarities.
  • A participant highlights the differences in the ranges of the two distributions, indicating that the velocity distribution spans from negative to positive infinity while the speed distribution is only defined for non-negative values.
  • One participant explains that the difference arises from the integration over different coordinate systems, with the velocity distribution integrating in Cartesian coordinates and the speed distribution using spherical coordinates.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to account for the Jacobian when transforming between the two distributions, detailing the integration process over angular variables in spherical coordinates.

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Participants express differing views on the equivalence of the two distributions, with some suggesting they are logically similar while others emphasize the mathematical distinctions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding whether the two distributions can be considered equivalent.

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The conversation involves assumptions about the definitions of velocity and speed distributions, as well as the mathematical steps required to relate them. There is an acknowledgment of the need for precise calculations to derive mean and most probable speeds from the speed distribution.

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Maxwellian velocity distribution is obtained by $$g(v_x)\propto e^{-mv_x^2/2k_B T}$$ and when extended to 3 dimensions the distribution becomes: $$\propto e^{-mv_x^2/2k_B T}e^{-mv_y^2/2k_B T}e^{-mv_z^2/2k_B T} = e^{-mv^2/2k_B T}$$
Now looking at the speed distribution we take a spherical shell in phase space between ##v , v+dv## and obtain: ##f(v)dv \propto 4\pi v^2 dv e^{-mv^2/2k_B T}##

My question is that are the two distributions equivalent since ##f(v)## has a extra ##v^2## term but logically the two seem equivalent?
 
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Maxwellian velocity distribution is obtained by $$g(v_x)\propto e^{-mv_x^2/2k_B T}$$ and when extended to 3 dimensions the distribution becomes: $$\propto e^{-mv_x^2/2k_B T}e^{-mv_y^2/2k_B T}e^{-mv_z^2/2k_B T} = e^{-mv^2/2k_B T}$$
Now looking at the speed distribution we take a spherical shell in phase space between ##v , v+dv## and obtain: ##f(v)dv \propto 4\pi v^2 dv e^{-mv^2/2k_B T}##

My question is that are the two distributions equivalent since ##f(v)## has a extra ##v^2## term but logically the two seem equivalent?
The velocity distribution goes from minus infinity to plus infinity for each direction and peaks and has mean at v=0. The speed distribution goes from zero to plus infinity and has value zero for speed less than or equal to zero. (It is really undefined for negative speeds.) The mean value of the speed for the Maxwellian is ## v_{mean}=\sqrt{(8/ \pi) k T/m} ##. For the speed, ## v_{rms}=\sqrt{3 k T/m} ## and most probable speed is ## v_{mp}=\sqrt{2 k T/m} ##. Perhaps the rms speed is the place where your statement that the two seem to be equivalent is most applicable. It is necessary to compute the precise form of the speed distribution, (with the spherical shell), in order to compute ## v_{mean} ## and ## v_{mp} ##.
 
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The difference reflects the fact that there are two different coordinate systems for the integration. In the first case the integral is over three dimensions with dv_xdv_ydv_z. The the second case the integral is based on spherical coordinates v^2dvsin\phi d\phi d\theta and then the angular variables integrate out to 4\pi.
 
Well the name says it all: You have distribution! So to transform from one distribution to the distribution of a function of the independent variables you have to take into account the corresponding Jacobian.

In your case you have given the velocity distribution, i.e., the number of particles in an infinitesimal cube ##\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{v}## in velocity space around ##\vec{v}## is
$$\mathrm{d} N = \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{v} f(\vec{v}).$$
Now you have ##v=|\vec{v}|##. It's clear that here the case is pretty simple, because you can just use spherical coordinates, in which
$$\mathrm{d} N = \mathrm{d} v \mathrm{d} \vartheta \mathrm{d} \varphi v^2 \sin \vartheta f(\vec{v}).$$
Now you want to "forget" about the angular distribution. So you have to take the integral over ##\vartheta## and ##\varphi##, i.e.,
$$\tilde{f}(v)=\int_0^{\pi} \mathrm{d} \vartheta \int_0^{2 \pi} \mathrm{d} \varphi v^2 \sin \vartheta f(\vec{v}).$$
Since in your case ##f(\vec{v})=f(v)##, you can do the angle integrals
$$\tilde{f}(v)=v^2 f(v) \int_0^{\pi} \mathrm{d} \vartheta \int_0^{2 \pi} \mathrm{d} \varphi \sin \vartheta=4 \pi v^2 f(v).$$
 
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