Ideal gas pressure from Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the expression for the average number of particles colliding with a surface in a given time interval, using the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution in the context of an ideal gas. Participants are exploring the relationship between particle velocity, density, and collision frequency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand the derivation of the collision number formula, questioning the role of the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution.
  • Another participant suggests that an additional factor of density may be necessary for the calculation, proposing to consider the volume of space containing particles that could hit the wall.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about how to incorporate the infinitesimal time interval into the calculation of particles traveling in the x-direction.
  • There is a query about determining the volume of the region from which particles will collide with the wall within the time interval.
  • One participant attempts to link the number of particles hitting the wall with the volume of the region, expressing doubt about their understanding of statistical physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessary factors for the collision number calculation, and multiple perspectives on the role of density and volume remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of density and volume in the context of particle collisions, as well as the integration limits for the velocity components.

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Hi everyone

I'm having trouble with solving an exercise in statistical physics. I need to argue why the average number of particles with a velocity between ##v## and ##v+dv## that hit a surface area ##A## on the container wall in a time interval ##\Delta t## is $$N_{collision}=v_{x}A\Delta t f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}})dv_{x}dv_{y}dv_{z}$$ where ##f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}})## is the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution. Consider the gas as an ideal gas.

I don't quiet know where to start so...

Thanks for your help!
 
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H Psi equal E Psi said:
Hi everyone

I'm having trouble with solving an exercise in statistical physics. I need to argue why the average number of particles with a velocity between ##v## and ##v+dv## that hit a surface area ##A## on the container wall in a time interval ##\Delta t## is $$N_{collision}=v_{x}A\Delta t f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}})dv_{x}dv_{y}dv_{z}$$ where ##f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}})## is the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution. Consider the gas as an ideal gas.

I don't quiet know where to start so...

Thanks for your help!

Are you sure that there isn't an additional factor of density (number of particles per unit volume) involved?

What I would say is this: You have a wall that is oriented perpendicular to the x-axis. So for particles traveling at velocity v_x in the x-direction, consider all particles that will hit the wall in the next \delta t seconds. Clearly, for a particle to hit the wall in that time interval, it must be closer than v_x \delta t in the x-direction. So there is a certain region of space that contains all the particles that could possibly hit the wall in the next \delta t seconds (traveling at velocity v_x in the x-direction). What is the volume of that region? The number of particles in that region is proportional to that volume.
 
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stevendaryl said:
Are you sure that there isn't an additional factor of density (number of particles per unit volume) involved?

What I would say is this: You have a wall that is oriented perpendicular to the x-axis. So for particles traveling at velocity v_x in the x-direction, consider all particles that will hit the wall in the next \delta t seconds. Clearly, for a particle to hit the wall in that time interval, it must be closer than v_x \delta t in the x-direction. So there is a certain region of space that contains all the particles that could possibly hit the wall in the next \delta t seconds (traveling at velocity v_x in the x-direction). What is the volume of that region? The number of particles in that region is proportional to that volume.
Thank you very much for your answer!
I guess the number of particle traveling in x-direction would be: $$n_{x}=\int_{0}^{\infty} f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}}) dv_{x}$$ right? But how do I include the infinitesimal time Intervall ##\Delta t##?
 
H Psi equal E Psi said:
Thank you very much for your answer!
I guess the number of particle traveling in x-direction would be: $$n_{x}=\int_{0}^{\infty} f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}}) dv_{x}$$ right? But how do I include the infinitesimal time Intervall ##\Delta t##?

Can you answer my question: what is the volume of the region of points such that a particle at that point will hit the wall in the next \Delta t seconds?
 
stevendaryl said:
Can you answer my question: what is the volume of the region of points such that a particle at that point will hit the wall in the next \Delta t seconds?

You said that:
The number of particles in that region is proportional to that volume.
So by finding the number of particle which will hit the wall in the next ##\Delta t## seconds I can find the volume? The number of particle which will hit the wall should be equal to: $$dn_{x}=\Delta tv_{x}f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}})dv_{x}dv_{y}dv_{z}$$ with $$\mathrm{\textbf{v}}=
\begin{bmatrix}
v_{x}\\
0\\
0
\end{bmatrix}$$
Now i need to link this with the volume right?
I'm not that good in statistical physics so what I just stated could be completely wrong...
Thanks for your help!
 

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