MDOFs damped system: transfer function estimantion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on calculating the transfer function of multi-degree-of-freedom (MDOF) damped systems, specifically focusing on a 4 DOFs system and the natural frequencies involved. Participants seek methods for modeling damping in these systems, contrasting approaches for both known and unknown sources of damping.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on calculating the transfer function and natural frequencies for a 4 DOFs system, noting that existing literature primarily addresses undamped cases.
  • Another participant expresses a similar need for understanding how to find a transfer function for a 2 DOF system with damping, indicating a broader relevance to multiple users.
  • A participant explains that the approach to modeling damping affects the outcome, highlighting that known physical sources of damping lead to a complex 4x4 quadratic eigenproblem, resulting in complex eigenvalues and mode shapes.
  • For small damping levels where the source is not explicitly known, a modal damping model based on undamped modes and frequencies is suggested as a practical approach.
  • Another participant references a specific book that discusses substituting stiffness coefficients with a complex term to account for viscous damping in the transfer function derived from an undamped case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for calculating the transfer function of damped systems, as different modeling approaches and assumptions about damping are discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the complexity of the eigenproblem and the implications of different damping models, but do not resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions involved in these calculations.

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I need to calculate the transfer function of a 4 DOFs system, in particular I need to calculate the system natural frequencies. Do you know to figure out these? On books I have found how to get it in the undamped case. Thanks
 
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I need to know how to find a transfer function for 2DOF system with damping. If anyone answers this question will be helpful to two persons...thanks, Milind.
 
serbring said:
I need to calculate the transfer function of a 4 DOFs system, in particular I need to calculate the system natural frequencies. Do you know to figure out these? On books I have found how to get it in the undamped case. Thanks

The answer depends on how you want to model the damping.

In the general case where you have known physical sources of damping (e.g. dashpots) in the model, you have a 4x4 quadratic eigenproblem and both the eigenvalues and vectors (mode shapes) will be complex. In other words, the motion of the different DOFs in a mode are not in phase with each other.

In practice, for small levels of damping where the physical cause of the damping is not known explicitly, you would use a modal damping model based on the undamped modes and frequencies.
 
AlephZero said:
The answer depends on how you want to model the damping.

In the general case where you have known physical sources of damping (e.g. dashpots) in the model, you have a 4x4 quadratic eigenproblem and both the eigenvalues and vectors (mode shapes) will be complex. In other words, the motion of the different DOFs in a mode are not in phase with each other.

In practice, for small levels of damping where the physical cause of the damping is not known explicitly, you would use a modal damping model based on the undamped modes and frequencies.

for a viscous damping on this book (pag815):
http://books.google.com/books?id=AK...sult&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA

I found that from an undamped transfer function, it is necessary to substitute the stiffness coefficients (k) with k-jc, where c is the damping coefficients.
 

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