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The discussion revolves around the feasibility and methods of converting a high voltage of 230 kV to a low voltage of 5 V while maintaining the same amplitude, phase, and frequency characteristics. Participants explore the technical aspects of voltage transformation, safety concerns, and the potential applications in synchronizing alternators.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern about the dangers of high voltage, emphasizing the need for safety precautions when dealing with 230 kV.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of "same amplitude," with some clarifying that it refers to the low voltage waveform varying in accordance with the high voltage waveform.
  • Transformers are identified as the primary method for down-converting high voltage, with potential transformers mentioned as a specific solution.
  • Participants question the cost of potential transformers and express concerns about their affordability for stepping down 230 kV to 5 V.
  • One participant notes that the conversion of high voltage to low voltage is a common practice, as seen in everyday devices like phone chargers, which convert high voltage AC to low voltage DC.
  • There is a mention of the need for certifications and legal considerations when working with high voltage systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that transformers are necessary for voltage conversion, but there is no consensus on the cost or specific methods to achieve the desired conversion from 230 kV to 5 V. Safety concerns and the complexity of the task are also points of contention.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the exact costs associated with potential transformers and the legal implications of working with high voltage. The discussion also highlights the need for specific applications and further clarification on the intended use of the low voltage waveform.

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Is there a way in electrical engineering where I can convert
230 KV to 5 V such that the 5 V wave has same amplitude, phase and frequency as that of 230 KV.
 
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That is very high voltage - don't even think of getting within 30 feet of that high of voltage.
 
If it had the same amplitude it wouldn't be 5V but 230kV.
 
I assume by "same amplitude" you mean that any amplitude variation in the 230KV would show up in the 5V. For example, maybe you want to build a regulated tesla coil so you use a pickup loop to monitor the high voltage and keep it constant.

Anyway, down conversion of 230Kv AC is done by transformers. Huge power stations convert 230KV power lines to usable voltages. A pickup coil near a transmission line could produce 5V.

Can you be more specific regarding what you are trying to do?
 
meBigGuy said:
I assume by "same amplitude" you mean that any amplitude variation in the 230KV would show up in the 5V. For example, maybe you want to build a regulated tesla coil so you use a pickup loop to monitor the high voltage and keep it constant.

Anyway, down conversion of 230Kv AC is done by transformers. Huge power stations convert 230KV power lines to usable voltages. A pickup coil near a transmission line could produce 5V.

Can you be more specific regarding what you are trying to do?

I was trying to make a paper on synchronizing alternators. If I can monitor the amplitude phase and frequency of two generators, then I thought that I could synchronize them using a differential amplifier or a simple logic gate.
For amplifiers and gate to work I wanted a low voltage waveform which is analogues to high voltage of the transformers.
All I wanted was a low voltage waveform which changes simultaneously according to the high voltage waveform so that I can use it for synchronizing purposes.
 
mr_pavlo said:
If it had the same amplitude it wouldn't be 5V but 230kV.

Ah! that shows my ignorance.
I meant the low voltage wave must vary in accordance with the high voltage wave.
 
Everytime you plug your phone into the wall you get 5 volts into your phone...that was once 230KV running down the powerlines. Only difference is they convert to DC...so just skip the rectifier in the last transformer.

So yes, very possible to convert since done all day, every day. (assuming different amplitude, obviously)

Multiple tranformers at specific points will do the trick.
 
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psparky said:
Everytime you plug your phone into the wall you get 5 volts into your phone...that was once 230KV running down the powerlines. Only difference is they convert to DC...so just skip the rectifier in the last transformer.

So yes, very possible to convert since done all day, every day. (assuming different amplitude, obviously)

Multiple tranformers at specific points will do the trick.

That is fine. But the thing which worries me is the cost.
Approximately how much will it cost to step down 230 KV to 5 V.
 

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