Meterials with high heat resistance

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between specific heat capacity and melting point in materials suitable for high-temperature applications, particularly in the context of constructing a cooker that can withstand temperatures around 2000 degrees Celsius. Participants explore various materials and their properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether there is a necessary relationship between specific heat capacity and melting point, suggesting the possibility of materials with low specific heat but high melting points.
  • Another participant notes that specific heat capacity tends to increase with temperature and mentions that tungsten is a solid at 2000°C, making it a potential choice.
  • Carbon is proposed as a potential material, prompting concerns about its reactivity with the atmosphere and durability at high temperatures.
  • Hafnium carbide and yttrium-stabilized zirconia are suggested as alternative materials.
  • Concerns are raised about the availability of suggested compounds in reasonable sizes for practical use.
  • Discussion includes the use of carbon fibers in high-temperature applications, with mixed views on their viability without protective cladding.
  • One participant emphasizes that carbon is not suitable for high-temperature applications without cladding, referencing the use of silicon carbide in reinforced carbon-carbon composites.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the suitability of carbon and carbon fibers for high-temperature applications, particularly regarding their reactivity and the necessity of protective measures. There is no consensus on the best material for the intended application.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for protective cladding for carbon in high-temperature environments and the potential challenges in sourcing specific materials in appropriate sizes.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in materials science, high-temperature applications, and those looking to construct heat-resistant equipment.

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Is there necessarily a relation between the specific heat capacity of a material and its melting point? Can you have a material that has a low specific heat capacity but have a high melting point?

The reason I ask this is because I want to make a cooker of sorts, but don’t know what to make it out of.

Something that I can heat up, with a lowish specific heat capacity, that can resist melting below 2000 degrees celsius (approximately).

Thanks
 
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You'd expect the specific heat capacity to increase with temperature, since the molar heat capacity of metals is similar (~25 J/mol-K) and denser elements generally have a higher melting temperature.

Only a handful of elements are still solid at 2000°C. Tungsten seems to be a good choice.
 
What about carbon?
 
Try hafnium carbide or yttrium-stabilized zirconia.
 
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thank you for your replys and suggestions!

Borek: I had considered carbon, but wouldn't it react with the atmsophere and desintigrate rather quickly?

Chemisttree and Mapes: would these compounds be easy enough to get hold of in a reasonable size?
 
turnip said:
I had considered carbon, but wouldn't it react with the atmsophere and desintigrate rather quickly?

Yes and no. Carbon fibers are used in many applications, including those high temp ones.
 
Borek said:
Yes and no. Carbon fibers are used in many applications, including those high temp ones.

Okay, thanks!
 
If you try to use carbon fiber it will catch on fire and burn up the first time you use it. Carbon is NOT used in atmospheric high temperature applications without cladding. The RCC (Reinforced Carbon-carbon Composite) used on the shuttle tiles is clad in silicon carbide for example to prevent burnup during reentry.

Yttrium-stabilized zircon can be found http://www.americanelements.com/ysz.html"
 
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chemisttree said:
Carbon is NOT used in atmospheric high temperature applications without cladding.

Just for the record: I have never meant bare carbon can be used.
 

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