Method of images to find potential near a grounded plane

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The problem involves calculating the electric potential due to a uniformly charged sphere above a grounded plane using the method of images. The original poster is attempting to find the potential at the center of the sphere, considering the influence of the grounded plane.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the method of images, questioning the relevance of the given potential formula for the sphere in empty space. There is exploration of how to combine potentials from both the charged sphere and the image charge.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and calculations. Some participants suggest reconsidering the approach to combining potentials, while others clarify the specific distances involved in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the position vectors and the specific points at which the potential is being evaluated, particularly in relation to the center of the sphere and the grounded plane.

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Homework Statement


Have my E&M final tomorrow. Trying to work old test questions. Please check my answer for this question.
Uniformly charged sphere of charge Q and radius R, center is a distance d above a grounded plane.

Homework Equations


V(r) in the interior of a sphere is given in the problem to be Q/8πε0[3/R-r2/R3]

The Attempt at a Solution


Using method of images, let there be a second sphere of charge -Q a distance d below the plane. Let d be along the z-axis
for sphere above: r2=x2+y2+(z-d)2
sphere below: r2=x2+y2+(z+d)2

my final answer
Q/8ε0(4zd/R3)
 
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wyosteve said:
V(r) in the interior of a sphere is given in the problem to be Q/8πε0[3/R-r2/R3]
Is this relevant? The title says 'potential near grounded plane', which suggests it's at points external to the sphere.
for sphere above: r2=x2+y2+(z-d)2
sphere below: r2=x2+y2+(z+d)2
Seems right.
my final answer
Q/8ε0(4zd/R3)
How do you get that? Please post your working.
 
Yeah sorry my post title was too brief. The question asks for the potential at the center of the sphere.
The V(r) that I gave was for this sphere in empty space. So the problem was to find how this changed with the inclusion of the grounded plane.

V1=Q/8πε0(3/R - r12/R3) (first sphere)
V2=-Q/8πε0(3/R - r22/R3) (second sphere)

the total V will be the sum of potentials from each sphere so

V(r)total = Q/8πε0(3/R - r12/R3- 3/R + r22/R3)

where r1 and r2 are the r's I gave in the initial post
Then I just simplified this expression to my final answer.
Now that I think about it if I'm trying to find V at the center of the sphere then z = d and my answer will be Q/8πε0(4d2/R3)
 
This is all wrong. I can't add these to potentials together because they are the potentials in each sphere, and the point is only inside one of them. Should be the potential inside the first sphere plus the potential outside the second sphere.
Something like

V(r) = Q/8πε0[3/R-r12/R3]-Q/4πε0[1/r2]
 
wyosteve said:
Should be the potential inside the first sphere plus the potential outside the second sphere.
Something like

V(r) = Q/8πε0[3/R-r12/R3]-Q/4πε0[1/r2]
Yes, that looks right. But you said you wanted the potential in the centre, so you can substitute for r1 and r2, right?
 
Potential at the center of the first sphere was what I was trying to find. I am getting confused about my position vectors.
r1 is the distance from the center of the first sphere. Since we want the potential at that point r1=0.
r2 is the distance from the center of the second sphere. So r2 = 2d

then V(r) reduces to Q/8πε0[3/R - 1/d]
 
Yes, that looks good.
 
Thanks for your help!
 

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