Minimal Polynomials & Diagonalization: P_2(\mathbb{C}) & M_{k x k}(\mathbb{R})

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The discussion revolves around computing minimal polynomials and determining diagonalizability for two operators. For operator (a), T acts on complex quadratic polynomials, and participants clarify the notation and computation of (Tf)(x). In operator (b), T is defined on the space of k x k real matrices, and confusion arises regarding the dimensionality of the identity matrix used in calculations. The correct interpretation is that the vector space V is k²-dimensional, necessitating a k² x k² matrix representation for T. The conversation emphasizes the importance of linearity and proper dimensionality in understanding the operators and their properties.
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Compute the minimal polynomials for each of the following operators. Determine which of the following operators is diagonalizable.

a) T : P_2(\mathbb{C}) \to P_2(\mathbb{C}), where:

(Tf)(x) = -xf''(x) + (i + 1)f'(x) - 2if(x).

b) Let V = M_{k \times k}(\mathbb{R}).

T : V \to V[/itex] by T(A) = -2A^t.<br /> <br /> For (a), I think the notation (Tf)(x) is confusing me a little. Do they mean T(f(x))? If f = ax² + bx + c, am I right in saying that:<br /> <br /> (Tf)(x) = x²(-2ia) + x(2i)(a - b) + (b + i(b - 2c))?<br /> <br /> For (b), I start by finding the characteristic polynomial of T. Let B be the matrix representation of T with respect to some ordered basis. Then, the characteristic polynomial of T is:<br /> <br /> g(t) = det(B - tI)<br /> g(t) = det(BI + B(½tI))<br /> g(t) = det(B((1 + ½t)I))<br /> g(t) = det((1 + ½t)BI)<br /> g(t) = det((1 + ½t)(-2I))<br /> g(t) = det(-(2 + t)I)<br /> g(t) = (-1)ⁿ(2 + t)ⁿ, where n = dim(V)<br /> <br /> I&#039;m not sure whether n = k or n = k². Now, either way, the minimal polynomial of T is the same as the minimal polynomial of B, which will be some power of (2 + t). Let&#039;s try the first power, so the minimal polynomial is:<br /> <br /> p(t) = 2 + t<br /> <br /> Then:<br /> <br /> p(B) = 2I + B = 2I + BI = 2I - 2I = 0, so the first power seems right.<br /> <br /> Now, for some A \in V, A \neq A^t, we have:<br /> <br /> 0 = p(B)(A) = (2I + B)A = 2A + BA = 2A - 2A^t = 2(A - A^t) \neq 0,<br /> <br /> a contradiction. Where did I go wrong?
 
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What is P_2(\mathbb{C})? I'm going to assume it means complex quadratic polynomials.


Notice the domain and range of T: it takes a polynomial and spits out another polynomial. The parentheses are correct: you compute Tf first. Tf is a polynomial, so you can evaluate it at x: (Tf)(x).


Your problem for (b) is that you got your identy matrices confused. In:

g(t) = det(B - tI)

I is the identity operator on V, a k^4 dimensional space. However, you treated it as if it was the identity matrix in V, a k^2 dimensional space, when you went to the next line.

(BTW, did you remember to check that T was linear before you assumed it was a matrix?)


I think diagonalizing first is a better approach for this one. I thought it was fairly easy to find k^2 linearly independent eigenvectors of T. Then, once you have the eigenvalues, you can write down the minimum polynomial.
 
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Hurkyl said:
Your problem for (b) is that you got your identy matrices confused. In:

g(t) = det(B - tI)

I is the identity operator on V, a k^4 dimensional space.
I think you mean k²-dimensional.
I think diagonalizing first is a better approach for this one. I thought it was fairly easy to find k^2 linearly independent eigenvectors of T. Then, once you have the eigenvalues, you can write down the minimum polynomial.
I checked that T was linear, so there should be a matrix representation of it. You make it seem that the matrix should be a (k² x k²)-matrix. If B is this matrix, then:

T(v) = Bv for all v in V. But this means that we're multiplying a (k² x k²)-matrix, B, by a (k x k)-matrix v, which isn't possible.

Another thing: assuming all else was right, and I found g(t) correctly (with n = k² according to you), then the rest should still hold, and I should still get that contradiction.
 
Basically, T is linear, so it should have a matrix representation, and if v is in V, then T(v) = Bv, so B must be an (k x k)-matrix. However, when we usually have operators over n dimensional spaces, their matrices are (n x n)-matrices, and since we have a k²-dimensional space here, we would expect a (k² x k²)-matrix. Now, is there any reason why the fact that we don't have such a matrix problematic? Do we really get any contradictions, or is it just unusual? As far as I can tell, it isn't really a problem, what do you think?
 
First thing you have to notice for (b):

V, the vector space of all kxk matrices over R, is a k^2 dimensional vector space.

T is a linear operator on V, so it does have a matrix representation, which you can get by selecting a basis for V...

However, just like for any other vector space, you also have to write the elements of V in terms of the basis vectors -- so if you're writing T as a matrix, you have to write elements of V as k^2-tuples, and T would indeed be written as a k^2 x k^2 matrix.
 
Hurkyl said:
you have to write elements of V as k^2-tuples
Oh, perfect. Thanks!
 
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