Minimum-maximum problem with graph plotting

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of the area function ##A(a)=a\sqrt{r^2-\frac{a^2}{4}}##, particularly focusing on its first derivative and the conditions under which it is positive or negative. Participants are examining the implications of the derivative's behavior in relation to the geometry of a rectangle defined by the variable base ##a## and a fixed height related to radius ##r##.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to analyze the first derivative of the area function to determine where it is positive or zero. There are discussions about the conditions under which the area function increases or decreases, particularly questioning the implications of finding critical points and the behavior of the function beyond those points.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different interpretations of the derivative's implications. Some participants suggest that the function remains positive under certain conditions, while others challenge the assumptions regarding the critical points and the behavior of the function as ##a## approaches specific values.

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There is an emphasis on the geometric constraints of the problem, specifically that ##a## must be less than ##2r## for the rectangle to be valid. This constraint is influencing the discussion about the maximum area and the behavior of the function beyond certain values of ##a##.

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The first derivative of the area ##~\displaystyle A(a)=a\sqrt{r^2-\frac{a^2}{4}}## is positive everywhere

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When f'(x)>0 → the function rises

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$$A'=a\frac{1}{2}\left( r^2-\frac{a^2}{4} \right)^{-1/2}\cdot\left( \frac{1}{4} \right)2a+\sqrt{r^2-\frac{a^2}{4}}$$
$$A'=...=\frac{2r^2-a^2}{\sqrt{4r^2-a^2}}>0$$
I found A'=0 at ##~\displaystyle a=\frac{2}{\sqrt{5}}r##
 

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Karol said:

Homework Statement


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The first derivative of the area ##~\displaystyle A(a)=a\sqrt{r^2-\frac{a^2}{4}}## is positive everywhere

Homework Equations


When f'(x)>0 → the function rises

The Attempt at a Solution


$$A'=a\frac{1}{2}\left( r^2-\frac{a^2}{4} \right)^{-1/2}\cdot\left( \frac{1}{4} \right)2a+\sqrt{r^2-\frac{a^2}{4}}$$
$$A'=...=\frac{2r^2-a^2}{\sqrt{4r^2-a^2}}>0$$
I found A'=0 at ##~\displaystyle a=\frac{2}{\sqrt{5}}r##

No: ##A^{\prime} \neq 0## at ##a = r \; 2 /\sqrt{5},## as you can see from your own expression for ##A^{\prime}##.

Anyway, for a rectangle of base ##a## we need ##a < 2r##, so having a maximum of ##A(a)## at ##a > r## is perfectly OK.
 
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$$\frac{2r^2-a^2}{\sqrt{4r^2-a^2}}=0\rightarrow a=\sqrt{2}r$$
But still A'>0 for 0<a<2r
It should be negative for a>√2⋅r
 
Karol said:
$$\frac{2r^2-a^2}{\sqrt{4r^2-a^2}}=0\rightarrow a=\sqrt{2}r$$
But still A'>0 for 0<a<2r
It should be negative for a>√2⋅r

It IS negative for ##a > r \sqrt{2}##.

If you don't believe it, try plotting ##A(a)## for ##r = 1## and ##0 < a < 2##.
 
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