Minimum Velocity needed to clear a hemisphere

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a ball being kicked horizontally from the top of a hemisphere with radius R, and it seeks to determine the minimum velocity required for the ball to clear the hemisphere without contacting it. The discussion also includes finding the distance from the center of the hemisphere where the ball lands.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conditions under which the ball must travel to avoid contact with the hemisphere, exploring projectile motion equations and inequalities related to height and distance. There are attempts to manipulate equations to isolate variables, particularly the velocity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the mathematical manipulations necessary to express velocity in terms of other variables. There is acknowledgment of potential mistakes in the equations, and a participant suggests that the inequality must hold for all time values, indicating a direction for further exploration.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, including the requirement that the ball does not contact the hemisphere and the implications of the projectile motion equations. There is an emphasis on ensuring the conditions are met for all time values, including at t=0.

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Homework Statement



There is a hemisphere of radius R metres on the ground. You are standing at the very top of the hemisphere and you kick a ball out such that it travels outwards horizontally with speed v metres per second. During the trajectory of the ball, it does not come into contact with the hemisphere at all.
a) What is the minimum v that can fulfil the above conditions?
b) How far away from the centre of the hemisphere will the ball land?

Homework Equations


Projectile Motion Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



Looking at the y-axis : vt = L, where L is the horizontal distance traveled after time t
Looking at the y-axis : H = 0.5*g*t^2, where H is the vertical distance from the top of the hemisphere after time t

Therefore, at time t, the distance of the ball above the ground is R - 0.5*g*t^2.

At the point that is x metres away from the centre, the height of the slice of hemisphere at that point is sqrt(R^2 - x^2).

I can substitute x with vt and get sqrt(R^2 - v^2*t^2)

So now, in order to fulfil the conditions:

R - 0.5*g*t^2 > sqrt(R^2 - v^2*t^2) for t = 0 to the time the ball reaches the ground

Squaring both sides, I get:

R^2 - R*g^2*t^2 + 0.25*g^2*t^4 > R^2 - v^2*t^2 (I think I don't have to change the bigger-than sign to smaller-than because I know that for this range of values, both sides>0)

So if I make v the subject:

v^2*t^2 > R^2 + R*g^2*t^2 - 0.25*g^2*t^4
v^2 > R^2 + R*g^2*t^2 - 0.25*g^2*t^4/t^2
v > sqrt(R^2 + R*g^2*t^2 - 0.25*g^2*t^4)/t

But I still have the t term on the Right Hand Side. How do I get rid of it, or is there another way to do this question?

Thanks all in advance.
 
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simpleton said:

The Attempt at a Solution






So now, in order to fulfil the conditions:

R - 0.5*g*t^2 > sqrt(R^2 - v^2*t^2) for t = 0 to the time the ball reaches the ground

Squaring both sides, I get:

R^2 - R*g^2*t^2 + 0.25*g^2*t^4 > R^2 - v^2*t^2


there is a mistake: g is not squared:

R^2 - R*g*t^2 + 0.25*g^2*t^4 > R^2 - v^2*t^2

You can subtract R^2 from both sides:

- R*g*t^2 + 0.25*g^2*t^4 > - v^2*t^2


simpleton said:
So if I make v the subject:

v^2*t^2 > + R*g*t^2 - 0.25*g^2*t^4
v^2 > R*g - 0.25*g^2*t^2


But I still have the t term on the Right Hand Side. How do I get rid of it, or is there another way to do this question?

The inequality has to hold for all t, even at t=0. So v^2>R*g. If v is less, the ball rolls downhill.

ehild
 
Thank you very much! :)
 

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